Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:37 pm
re-phaelam-ed wrote:This conversation goes the same way every time. I was happier discovering, rather than getting prompted where to go. I enjoyed having to go to the record store Tuesday midnight to get a record that was coming out, then getting home and fully taking it in.
The internet is laziness incarnate.
Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:20 pm
FernieCanto wrote:re-phaelam-ed wrote:This conversation goes the same way every time. I was happier discovering, rather than getting prompted where to go. I enjoyed having to go to the record store Tuesday midnight to get a record that was coming out, then getting home and fully taking it in.
The internet is laziness incarnate.
Dude, it's not like the Internet is collectively forbidding you from doing the things you like. Yes, things may be changing a little bit, but then again, they have always changed. When phonograph records were first introducing, people were also complaining that they "devalue" music, and that in order to "properly" enjoy music, you actually have to go to the concerts, and that records are making people lazy. The thing is, people like to make comparisons between today and an idealised, artificially perfect, non-existent past. I mean, isn't that the whole thing BoC explores with their music?
But that's okay. I mean, your experiences are all your, and you're free to say what you like and what you don't about the recent changes in music. But don't go around sticking labels on people and criticising them for not following your methods and your tastes. I also say my musical experience gets constantly better thanks to the digital technology and the Internet, and I will not allow you to tag me as a "cop-out" just because you think so. The Internet gives me a wealth of diversity that I would never, ever, ever even dream of accessing without it. And if I miss the physical hunt for records and the human contact, you know what I will do? I will go out and do it. But don't try to vilify the actions of people like me, as if we need to burn our hard drives to, as Daft Punk would say, "give life back to music" or some bullshit like that. Music is alive.
Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:57 pm
re-phaelam-ed wrote:
Internet makes us lazy. I liked getting out and discovery music. You met people to. Rather than being a shut-in. 'Hunting' on the net devalues the music. So many skip through a track to preview it...then dl the album to only partially listen, then archive it. Everyone has everything. Or lots of it.
The argument, 'I get to experience more cuz of the internet' is the weakest fucking cop-out of all time. Sure you may miss some stuff...but you don't need to hear it all.
This conversation goes the same way every time. I was happier discovering, rather than getting prompted where to go. I enjoyed having to go to the record store Tuesday midnight to get a record that was coming out, then getting home and fully taking it in.
The internet is laziness incarnate.
Re: who uses recs anymore? Ya dj's. Fucking cd decks now...so lame or freaking traktor. Hip hop dj battles keep it alive.
Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:31 pm
re-phaelam-ed wrote:just to play D/A...isn't streaming music kinda like refined radio?
Techboy wrote:I think this stuff is weird. The record industry is barely 100 years old and every 2 years the major players bleat about how the latest fad is killing the industry and how that hurts the artists.
IanRedpoint wrote:Dunno about the rest of the world but it's really not that easy to get gigs in the UK playing anything that falls outside a tidy popular genre. Certainly not if you don't already have a reputation based on Internet buzz or record sales.
Techboy wrote:Why is it revolutionary when Netflix does it and a scourge on the industry when spotify does it?
Rodheh wrote:News flash: artists sell records.
The bulk of people buy music.
The bulk of people are not even technically minded enough to do something as simple as learn how to torrent things.
Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:11 pm
2020k wrote:IanRedpoint wrote:Dunno about the rest of the world but it's really not that easy to get gigs in the UK playing anything that falls outside a tidy popular genre. Certainly not if you don't already have a reputation based on Internet buzz or record sales.
This. And when you do get gigs, 9/10 the venue doesn't pay. Anyone who's played live has experienced this over and over and over again.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:44 pm
2020k wrote:IanRedpoint wrote:Dunno about the rest of the world but it's really not that easy to get gigs in the UK playing anything that falls outside a tidy popular genre. Certainly not if you don't already have a reputation based on Internet buzz or record sales.
This. And when you do get gigs, 9/10 the venue doesn't pay. Anyone who's played live has experienced this over and over and over again.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:34 pm
Which all cost money to make, right? Free booze isn't going to fund printing for any of that. And honestly, how many people are buying the T-shirts, stickers, and CDs of every artist they see? Concert goers have limited funds too, so why are they going to spend their money on merchandise from a band that's just starting out, when they can go to the Lady Gaga store and buy a cool T-shirt there and everyone already understands its message? They paid the door price to get in, isn't that enough? I'm not saying every concert goer does this, by all means I'm moreso asking the tougher questions & playing devil's advocate.re-phaelam-ed wrote:its always been that way...thats why you sell t-shirts, cd's and stickers. you play for free booze. you make money selling merch.
I agree with this. Playing for free for no reason is stupid unless it's for charity or some sort of favor or something (And don't get me started on "pay to play"). However, sometimes, especially if the crowd is insanely small, like 0-10 people or so (which is very possible with an artist just starting out), and the artist isn't the headliner for that night, the venue has to make money too.Cupz wrote:I dont play unless my expenses (including smokes) are covered and I can get all the free liquer I can drink that night + some pocket change. You should demand the same. Bands performing for free is exactly why so many venues think they can get away with it and we should stand together as musicians and not play at those. If they truly love music, they can spare a few bucks for it. Unless its for charity or something of course in which case you can just ask for liquer.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:46 pm
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:03 am
2020k wrote:INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT:[/b] Over 700 indie labels join forces to launch new initiative to ensure fair digital revenues for artists. http://www.factmag.com/2014/07/16/over- ... r-artists/. Steps have to be taken and they have been. Bravo? discuss.
Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:54 pm
2020k wrote:Which all cost money to make, right? Free booze isn't going to fund printing for any of that. And honestly, how many people are buying the T-shirts, stickers, and CDs of every artist they see? Concert goers have limited funds too, so why are they going to spend their money on merchandise from a band that's just starting out, when they can go to the Lady Gaga store and buy a cool T-shirt there and everyone already understands its message? They paid the door price to get in, isn't that enough? I'm not saying every concert goer does this, by all means I'm moreso asking the tougher questions & playing devil's advocate.re-phaelam-ed wrote:its always been that way...thats why you sell t-shirts, cd's and stickers. you play for free booze. you make money selling merch.
More conscious music fans do support the indies/unsigned. Other indies/unsigned artists support other indies/unsigned artists. And if someone really likes the set, of course they'll buy something if they have the cash, but not everyone is conscious of this - especially the casual listener of music.
Also..I agree with this. Playing for free for no reason is stupid unless it's for charity or some sort of favor or something (And don't get me started on "pay to play"). However, sometimes, especially if the crowd is insanely small, like 0-10 people or so (which is very possible with an artist just starting out), and the artist isn't the headliner for that night, the venue has to make money too.Cupz wrote:I dont play unless my expenses (including smokes) are covered and I can get all the free liquer I can drink that night + some pocket change. You should demand the same. Bands performing for free is exactly why so many venues think they can get away with it and we should stand together as musicians and not play at those. If they truly love music, they can spare a few bucks for it. Unless its for charity or something of course in which case you can just ask for liquer.
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT: Over 700 indie labels join forces to launch new initiative to ensure fair digital revenues for artists. http://www.factmag.com/2014/07/16/over- ... r-artists/. Steps have to be taken and they have been. Bravo? discuss.
Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:22 pm
re-phaelam-ed wrote:you ever buy a concert t dude?
Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:24 am
Is it fair to say the "bulk of people" you speak of are the ones that are supporting major label artists because they don't dig into the indie & unsigned world? Also, this could hold true for independent record stores as well. How can we make it better for the indie & unsigned? Major retailers push major artists. Wal-Mart, Target, and Best Buy have downsized their stock by so much that even they don't carry all of the newest major label releases anymore.
Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:44 am
Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:04 pm
re-phaelam-ed wrote:you ever buy a concert t dude? $45? they cost about $8 - $11 to make. ya you make money doing that and selling CDRs. the booze comment was facetious.
Rodheh wrote:
We need services that allow people to hear what they're considering buying that doesn't just give them unlimited charged access like Spotify. There was this thing back when the Zune came out many years ago that allowed you to send songs to another person who had one, and you could send normal 320kbps mp3s. The other person just couldn't listen to them more than four times or so - I feel like that's a good idea. I think you'll probably get the idea of whether or not you want to buy a record after four listens even if you don't understand every little subtle detail of the record completely yet.
At least that's how I look at it. As someone who wants music to be his career and is in the process of trying to make that happen, I expect and would be happy with a modest income. It wouldn't feel right if people couldn't listen to and digest anything I made for free first to me. Music is an art form, and although we do this, I don't think you can really put a price tag on art. It's sort of an artificial construct.