Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:08 pm
MrMessiah wrote:Guido wrote:Nothing insidious about the alt-right. The alt-right is actually the only portion of the population that hasn't lost their sanity. Take a look at what has been going down in Sweden. With the consent of "feminists" and "progressives", one of the most developed nations in the world has turned into the rape capital of Europe in record speed and is poised to become Europe's first third-world country soon. I hope you are satisfied with the result because its downfall cannot be reversed. The left's smearing of the right, rife with Godwins, attempts at censorship and insults to their intelligence and morals, doesn't work anymore, as it has become evident that progressives' logic just doesn't compute and is in fact detrimental to everybody's wellbeing in the long run.
Just to not let this far right meme go unchallenged, no, Sweden is not the rape capital of Europe. In the mid 2000's it changed the way it recorded rape statistics which led to a bump in the numbers over the following years for its own historic trends and differences between it and other European countries make its stats look high in comparison there too. Naturally it's been siezed upon by the far right and blamed on immigration and then parroted across the Internet by people who should know better.
Edit: and while I'm at it, anyone putting feminists in scare-quotes as if the fight for equality AND equity for women is something to be derided can fucking do one.
Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:32 am
Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:29 pm
drillkicker wrote:Opinions can only be dangerous if they're suppressed. People should listen to the alt-right instead of dismissing it, because the latter is the best way of strengthening a political movement. Political thought is turning into a collection of different echo chambers that are driving each other more and more into extremism and that kind of situation makes everything dangerous.
Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:16 pm
drillkicker wrote:Opinions can only be dangerous if they're suppressed. People should listen to the alt-right instead of dismissing it, because the latter is the best way of strengthening a political movement. Political thought is turning into a collection of different echo chambers that are driving each other more and more into extremism and that kind of situation makes everything dangerous.
Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:21 am
Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:04 am
jcnporter wrote:I'm quite happy for people to have radically different ideas and opinions from me - it's inevitable - as long as they (and I) have based their opinions on some research and factual knowledge and are willing to talk with an open mind. In other words, what used to be a common or garden debate or discussion.
It seems most discussion now is the complete opposite of that - people on all sides absolutely spitting-with-rage certain of their rightness, not just factually, but morally, based, often, on nothing more than an internet meme or the media-curated view of the left or right tribe.
Confidence has collapsed both in politicians and in any sense that any media source is presenting an reasonably unbiased view. Millions of people getting most of their news from the cesspool of social media? It's fucking toxic, worse probably than anyone thought.
We need an educated, informed population engaged with how the world works and able to talk to each other like adults - unfortunately we're heading in the opposite direction with both feet on the accelerator.
Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:24 pm
Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:32 pm
Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:43 pm
Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:14 am
drillkicker wrote:Opinions can only be dangerous if they're suppressed. People should listen to the alt-right instead of dismissing it, because the latter is the best way of strengthening a political movement. Political thought is turning into a collection of different echo chambers that are driving each other more and more into extremism and that kind of situation makes everything dangerous.
Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:29 am
Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:09 pm
Guido wrote:I won't be debating this any further so as to not escalate it.
I want to say though that I've spent hundreds of hours researching my views by reading books and websites, and this isn't something I picked up from the MSM since my exposure to it is very very limited.
IF you are really open to hearing contrasting views, you may take a look at https://occidentinvicta.com/ . It's very a eloquent and rational blog.
But I'm not interested in defending its standpoints here so this will be my last post in this thread.
Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:40 pm
Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:59 am
jcnporter wrote:However the problem with that blog, as with many on the left, is the polarisation, the bias. They see no common ground between themselves and who they seem to despise. Rather than just analyse, there's 'leftists' say this/'liberals' say that. It seems to be defined by what it's against, despite its stated aims and self-proclaimed rationality.
It's the sort of stuff that seems like a breath of fresh air if you already see the world a certain way, but it's really a fixed ideology in search of evidence. That's fine as long as the bias and lack of balance is recognised and tempered.
jcnporter wrote:What I've found fascinating over the years is actually the common ground between socialists, conservatives, libertarians, liberals, anarchists (using the non-politicised meaning of those terms). One of the main problems I see these days is the denial of that common ground and the entrenching of views.
jcnporter wrote:It's regression, an anti-intellectual, childish approach to things. It goes hand in hand with the yearning for a 'strong leader'. How does an ideology of either individualism or collectivism fit with the cult of the 'strong leader'? How does patriotism or Christianity fit with individualism but not collectivism? Figure that out.
It seems sensible and adult to read plenty and widely, take everything with a pinch of salt and take what you can from it all, measure it alongside your experience and the experience of others. Why are we heading in the opposite direction?
Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:29 am
drillkicker wrote:I find it funny how upset people are about it. People wouldn't shut the fuck up about how much they don't like Trump, so this election was extremely enjoyable for me to watch. Sweet justice.
Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:12 am
jcnporter wrote:Actually I regret using the terms left and right in my posts - the terms are too loaded and polarising. In real life people's views don't fit into simple boxes. Unfortunately most internet debate ends up at this lowest common denominator, with people entrenching themselves in simplistic positions, using information from unverified sources that appeal to their egos, allowing themselves to believe that they are more logical or smarter than another group.
Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:27 pm
Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:45 am
Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:17 pm
Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:26 pm
arvy wrote:people hate each other. they are just trying to mask it with political, national, religious or any other ideas. it's in our nature.