purported Growing Hand - Acid Memories clip

[zeoevil]

I don't even know what part of this post to quote.

The world was vast and unfathomable when we were kids. Now, the world is as small as a smartphone. The internet took their innocence and left them jaded and cynical before the rest of the world even had a chance to.

[THE BOB]

I don't even know what part of this post to quote.

The world was vast and unfathomable when we were kids. Now, the world is as small as a smartphone. The internet took their innocence and left them jaded and cynical before the rest of the world even had a chance to.

Very true, but we can still try dammit
Open wounds are there to be salted. Don't like it? Learn to cover em up. or at least develop some sort of sense of humor about it. Who can even tell with total accuracy when any of us is being sarcastic, ironic, or serious or just weird for it's own sake. A dark sense of humor used to be something to toughen one up a little. We'd take jabs from above without going to war over it when I was young. Somehow the present form of interaction both magnifies and shelters at the same time. We have such a hard time defining how this happens but the outcome is obvious and it equals zero growth. Reminds me of something a comedian said not too long ago:

"They told us children were the future. Now it's the future and everyone acts like they're fucking five years old."

[Skimming Stone]

A dark sense of humor used to be something to toughen one up a little. We'd take jabs from above without going to war over it when I was young.

I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make here. Are you trying to say that young people can no longer take a joke?

[egbdf]

I don't even know what part of this post to quote.

The world was vast and unfathomable when we were kids. Now, the world is as small as a smartphone. The internet took their innocence and left them jaded and cynical before the rest of the world even had a chance to.

That's a nice way of putting it. I'm 25 and I think I know what you mean. I was into bands before I had internet access.

[jcnporter]

And this all kind of shows how BOC really has no regards for their fans. Seriously, whats wrong with updated from them a couple times a year? Why are they so adverse to any contact with their fans? The reclusiveness and mystique is fun but its become more annoying now than anything. I mean let the quality of the music sell your records rather than relying on this over the top, and now seemingly trying too hard, mystique. Its getting kind of sad

Why are they obligated to have a relationship with you beyond their artistic output? I'd like the occasional update too, but it's not going to affect my enjoyment of their work. Millennial entitlement breaks my heart.

No one is talking about millennial entitlement A few updates here and there isn't a relationship with me or anyone else. Doesn't effect my enjoyment of the work either, I never said that it did. They clearly can and will put about as much distance between themselves and fans as they can. I'm saying that for a band who wants to sell albums, they need to have some sort of interaction with people other than themselves, otherwise why ever release anything? They want our money but want absolutely nothing more, and yeah, thats their right, but whats the harm in updates here and there? Nothing, other than to create this over the top reclusiveness to gain peoples interest it would seem. Im saying let your work sell your records, and not some allure of how mysterious they are

Sometimes not doing something is just not doing something, not maintaining a mystique or 'over the top' reclusiveness.

[jcnporter]

anyway, saying entitlement implies millennial and vice versa is very unfair even in the context of "heated internet argument".

This is my last contribution to this, it will probably be a little verbose and derail the thread, but...

I don't have a problem with them, per se, but their coming of age came during such a tidal shift in technology, and those ripples affected how music is consumed, and distributed, which then in turn affected how artists interacted with their fans. I think we all know this, but I guess it needs to be said to set the table. I personally feel like I have a foot in each generation, anyone technically minded in the 35-40 year range probably feels the same way about it. Close enough to say "I get where you're coming from" but far enough away and with enough footwork spent in the past to disagree vehemently with those types of expectations.

Anyways, I think this tidal shift and its cascading effect on the entertainment industry set up a permanent set of expectations among a certain demographic that someone 10 years older probably wouldn't relate to at all. My opinion of "entitlement" is someone else's "this is just how it is; why aren't you conforming to how people are SUPPOSED to do these things?"; I guess I've just described the seed of any given heated internet argument.

At least in terms of those types of expectations, these guys are old school. We used to go to record stores every week, socialize, bring the albums home, read the liner notes and all that. Of course, some people still do that, but it's the exception not the rule and is considered some type of quaint, hipster type ritual now. It used to be the only way, and we loved it. The artist was god and it was all somehow more special not having every move telegraphed months in advance.

I think this thread below is probably a great rorschach test. My kneejerk reaction would be "this could be a troll", someone else younger could (and probably should) look at it as an earnest but misguided request based on expectations set by other artists in social media:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13314

In the end, it seems asinine to be mad at someone for NOT doing something. If they had some large presence on social media, but were controversial or said things people didn't agree with, I could understand getting perturbed at them, but it's just silly to be outright mad about inaction and silence - not being told about what's going on, but that's the part of me that feels its more special to be kept at arms length. I'm happy to get your point via your music and your album art and so on.

Maybe it's mean spirited to try and paint a particular generation with such a large brush, but sometimes a spade is a spade. If you sent me back 200 years and asked me to load a musket, I couldn't do that. You could call me an incompetent future space witch, I'd be comfortable with that. It's not anyone's fault, it's just how it is.

People can now essentially shape their reality/entertainment/information intake to be as perfect as they would like it to be and of course that desire is going to spill over into other aspects of the artist/listener relationship. It can't be helped, but maybe it's something to keep in mind, at least insofar as understanding why someone else could say "Boards of Canada owes you nothing."

Sums it up perfectly. Required reading.

[Mexicola]

Agreed. An excellent synopsis of the situation.

[warphead]

They want our money but want absolutely nothing more, and yeah, thats their right, but whats the harm in updates here and there? Nothing, other than to create this over the top reclusiveness to gain peoples interest it would seem. Im saying let your work sell your records, and not some allure of how mysterious they are

Hey cry baby. I doubt BOC want your money. Do you think they make music for commercial gain? Lol

They run their own trail, they make their own rules, they don't give a fuck about all the music media bullshit. And in this day and age that's something to behold.

I don't understand people who spit the dummy over one of the few bands who go against the grain of modern commercialism. Once-upon-a-time that mindset was applauded! Madness if you think their approach is wrong.

BOC are one of the few bands left that when news glimmers on the horizon, I get goosebumps.

[Opothecary]

Sorry for revisiting the thread when I said I wouldn't. I agree they don't need to put themselves out there at this point, that bugs some people quite a lot. I think that kind of leverage is very much thanks to support from Warp early on. Having a label helped them find their audience and ultimately let them run the course of their career on their own terms and at their own pace, much to the chagrin of others since that seems to involve no live music or timely updates. Good for them. I dont think they could have forged this same path if they started off today though. They would probably need to be much more public if they chose to live beyond their means like many commercial artists do.

They could easily walk away from Warp upon fulfillment of their contract and do just as well or better on their own, but not many artists could do that at this point due to their lifestyle choices.

[drillkicker]

At least in terms of those types of expectations, these guys are old school. We used to go to record stores every week, socialize, bring the albums home, read the liner notes and all that. Of course, some people still do that, but it's the exception not the rule and is considered some type of quaint, hipster type ritual now. It used to be the only way, and we loved it. The artist was god and it was all somehow more special not having every move telegraphed months in advance.

But how many musicians in ye good old days left eight-year gaps between albums and played 0 concerts ?

[Mexicola]

There are several examples of reclusive artists, going back for some time. In terms of musicians, Kate Bush springs to mind as one, The Blue Nile were another, even Bowie at times.

When all's said and done, it is what it is. I guess some can deal with that, some can't. Doesn't make 'us' better people, just a little less frustrated. Note: 'a little'

[747Music]

This one had me a little curious. Many years ago, there was talk about another old clip being available for a brief time. But now that I think back, I think it was an "echo the sun" clip, not "growing hand". There was talk about it on other forums for sure, WATMM and xltronic.com (I'll have to run a search). I'm not sure if it was discussed much here. Regardless, this is fake. And now that I've brought it up, you should probably expect an "echo the sun" fake soon, cause people are jerks. lol.

Nice song, btw.

[Milesium-487]

the vocaroo won't work anymore

anyone got a download?

[Jango9]

A while back I put together a compilation of fake BoC tracks, the full version of the song originally posted on that vocaroo is in there: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13966