Old Tunes and BOC Maxima cassettes for sale on ebay

[thepastinsidepressant]

In terms of pricing, sure. But wasn't prince murat's a copy and this is an original?

Also was prince murat's copy the one that started torrents of the album? If the seller has more BoC stuff but stuff that hasn't seen public light of day maybe they do have BoC's blessing?

nope, absolutely not from my understanding as its like this:

"I was told the tapes that had been seen on ebay were copies of the originals and were not my property, but the large photographs that the auctioneer had posted in loving detail showing handwriting on the copied cassette, in blue paint pen proved this to be untrue." datathief, Jul 12, 2011

from http://bocpages.org/wiki/Old_Tunes_saga also do read mdg's stance on this on that page.

i've a feeling it won't be pulled down and i'll know why and that why will be the hypocrisy of all i thought boc stood for but hey i had been losing grip a bit anyway with all this PR, hope it works out for them. considering the crappy leak last week of the album, non profitable mind and of no use to anyone that caused MAYHEM i'm surprised many are saying "ah great well done, hope you get that much"

thats weird!

[bdzz]

Price is down to 99. Only if I have money...

[thepastinsidepressant]

Somehow, I still don't think the guys would want them out there like this. Part of me is biased because I definitely want them.

I think they are gonna re-release the old stuff, that's why she's trying to get rid of them. Still, it's just more cash being made off the brothers' talent which is just all around disgusting.

[Vostok]

Good luck to them. If someone is prepared to pay it, then they were right to price it as they have. If nobody pays it, nobody has been 'ripped off'.

These aren't items that were on general release and sold out. They didn't hoover up 100 copies to sell on later (as with ticket scalpers).

I don't see what the problem is?

obviously there is no stopping people from selling and buying these tapes but its just


they were meant to be gifts to people and now they are being sold for hundreds of dollars

[GeogEddie]

Good luck to them. If someone is prepared to pay it, then they were right to price it as they have. If nobody pays it, nobody has been 'ripped off'.

These aren't items that were on general release and sold out. They didn't hoover up 100 copies to sell on later (as with ticket scalpers).

I don't see what the problem is?

obviously there is no stopping people from selling and buying these tapes but its just


they were meant to be gifts to people and now they are being sold for hundreds of dollars

Well, the auctions note that these were sent to the seller as demo tapes when she worked at a record label. So, not exactly gifts in this particular case and I can see why she wouldn't have a very strong emotional attachment to them.

[harpoon dodger]

HOLY FUCK!!

Of all the times for me to be broke..not that I really would have a chance in hell of winning the auction for ANY of these lovely items. Hope whoever ends up with them puts them in a museum! Or something...

And everyone, chill the hell out. It's understandable to get hot and bothered over these coming up on eBay, but...don't be mean.

[re-phaelam-ed]

...weirdness creeping back into thread.

[everythingyoudoisorange]

Yeah the fact they lowered starting price to 99 pounds on both old tunes means maybe they are reading the forums or BoC made a suggestion to them.

Either way with 6 days and change left they will sell for a hefty price, all of the listings, without a doubt

[krs]

I think they are gonna re-release the old stuff, that's why she's trying to get rid of them.

she's getting rid of them for her child and mortgage payments. i guess she prioritized her family and financial affairs over a few cassettes.

I saw that, and I could care less. She should just send those back to the guys and sell the other 10,000 records she says she has.

[GeogEddie]

I think they are gonna re-release the old stuff, that's why she's trying to get rid of them.

she's getting rid of them for her child and mortgage payments. i guess she prioritized her family and financial affairs over a few cassettes.

I saw that, and I could care less. She should just send those back to the guys and sell the other 10,000 records she says she has.

They run a small record label. Most of those 10,000 other records are probably obscure crap nobody would buy.

And it seems likely enough that Mike Paradinas probably can get in touch with BoC when he wants to. For all we know he got the band's blessing to put this stuff up. It's hard to imagine they'd care considering it's all been leaked on the internet years ago.

[thepastinsidepressant]

I saw that, and I could care less. She should just send those back to the guys and sell the other 10,000 records she says she has.

exactly, the fact boc have kids as well maybe they'll understand and make that exception. tbh i wouldn't be surprised if they don't mind on that alone yea well played, put that into your argument for selling them, your case looks good :/

they were never contracted with Planet Mu, it does not legally belong to them, it was given to them
to assess and they lost out to Warp, thank fuck by the looks it.

i actually have here a 6 track demo tape for an album that was released worldwide, repressed a few times, by a fairly well known band now at this stage. i am close friends with an ex-member but i would not dare flog it, they know i have it, even with the final result OUT THERE officially, the demos are different so many fans would love to get their hands on it. yea i'd be in trouble. its tempting but i would not disrespect that. times are hard but i'll find the money another way. its not my work simple as that.

Now, granted should the bocset or whatever finally be released then i don't see the problem with this, but let the artists and rightful owners of this work have their rights to get it out there the way they intended, then do what you like with it for all i care.

[Retrodreaming]

I've made some bids but no way will I pay anymore lol I hope these are the real deal and they go to a good home! Good luck! Even though I have a few K but it's not worth me spending on these! Plus I've spent 16K over the last 2 years on other things lol good luck guys!!! BoC for the win!

[Betacord]

If Marcus and Mike are okay with it, then I would say good luck to all.

But at the moment, I'm not sure it's right to assume it does or doesn't have their blessing either way - do we really know?

And from what I gather has been referred to on this forum, last time these came up for eBay sale, it was officially deemed "profiteering". I don't know where the line is drawn. But until it's actually given the thumbs up, then as per previous statements, I wouldn't agree with money being involved.

In any event, let's wait and see.

[Melts]

IfI wouldn't agree with money being involved..

I almost always agree with this.

"A citizen who gives his labor for money degrades himself to the rank of slaves."
-Cicero

yet...

"As sure as work kills pleasure, pleasure kills work."
-Raoul Vaneigem

I'd also agree with wanting consent/approval from BOC, however as long as it was never stolen, but given, i don't think a change in ownership hurts anything or anybody.

Although he preferred to give paintings away free as gifts, and genuinely did not seem interested in making money from selling paintings, one of the many great life lessons I learned from Bob Ross is (paraphrasing horribly) that it is still OK if you must buy or sell art. It's a gift to be able to help and support people. The make a happy buck, and you get a happy painting. Everybody wins.

He used to say many different ways that if it makes you feel good, doesn't hurt anybody, it must be ok and you must be doing it right.

anyway back to OT

[everythingyoudoisorange]

Things are heating up at WATMM with rixxx's posts, the seller of the tapes.

[mono]

IfI wouldn't agree with money being involved..

I almost always agree with this.

"A citizen who gives his labor for money degrades himself to the rank of slaves."
-Cicero

yet...

"As sure as work kills pleasure, pleasure kills work."
-Raoul Vaneigem

I'd also agree with wanting consent/approval from BOC, however as long as it was never stolen, but given, i don't think a change in ownership hurts anything or anybody.

Although he preferred to give paintings away free as gifts, and genuinely did not seem interested in making money from selling paintings, one of the many great life lessons I learned from Bob Ross is (paraphrasing horribly) that it is still OK if you must buy or sell art. It's a gift to be able to help and support people. The make a happy buck, and you get a happy painting. Everybody wins.

He used to say many different ways that if it makes you feel good, doesn't hurt anybody, it must be ok and you must be doing it right.

anyway back to OT

Vaneigem was an idiot, but nominally he was a situationist - I'm far from one myself, but they understood well Marx's basic point that trade is one thing, and the circulation of commodities is another. Pleasure doesn't even enter the picture.

As for the price of the tapes, I could go on and on about the contradiction between the productive forces and the relations of production in the particular case of culture and specifically popular music, and about the structural role of an ideological phenomenon such as "trends", but I'll just say that this is bloody stupid.

ps. watmm is cuntland

[Aphex-Twin-Peaks]

A few others have suggested this and I agree, surely this could be a sign the old unreleased stuff is getting a proper release? It's all a bit of a coincidence with MDG's statement about the repressings and all the other hype going on (or perhaps it's a result of all the hype + wishful thinking).

[Melts]

IfI wouldn't agree with money being involved..

I almost always agree with this.

"A citizen who gives his labor for money degrades himself to the rank of slaves."
-Cicero

yet...

"As sure as work kills pleasure, pleasure kills work."
-Raoul Vaneigem

I'd also agree with wanting consent/approval from BOC, however as long as it was never stolen, but given, i don't think a change in ownership hurts anything or anybody.

Although he preferred to give paintings away free as gifts, and genuinely did not seem interested in making money from selling paintings, one of the many great life lessons I learned from Bob Ross is (paraphrasing horribly) that it is still OK if you must buy or sell art. It's a gift to be able to help and support people. The make a happy buck, and you get a happy painting. Everybody wins.

He used to say many different ways that if it makes you feel good, doesn't hurt anybody, it must be ok and you must be doing it right.

anyway back to OT

Vaneigem was an idiot, but nominally he was a situationist - I'm far from one myself, but they understood well Marx's basic point that trade is one thing, and the circulation of commodities is another. Pleasure doesn't even enter the picture.

As for the price of the tapes, I could go on and on about the contradiction between the productive forces and the relations of production in the particular case of culture and specifically popular music, and about the structural role of an ideological phenomenon such as "trends", but I'll just say that this is bloody stupid.

ps. watmm is cuntland

Sometimes "the contradiction between the productive forces and the relations of production" doesn't even enter the picture, this can surely also occur "in the particular case of culture and specifically popular music, and about the structural role of an ideological phenomenon such as "trends"".

The most priceless tapes on earth are likely that way for personal, sentimental, subjective reasons, kinda like I've heard was the system of cost/value of indigenous Americans.

How much true production costs involved in an old answering machine tape containing the last message from a deceased loved one/family?

[BunnyRabbit]

These tapes are collectible artefacts. As someone else pointed out there is a well established precedent for legitimate trade in such articles.

If you are the rightful owner of those tapes who has any right to say what you are to do with them? The moral or ethical standpoint that these should be kept only by the people BOC originally sent them to is flawed. If BOC were penniless or the cassettes exposed some hugely embarrassing or deeply private aspect of their lives then, yeah, it would be wrong. And we know that selling something that isn't yours is. Otherwise, they are free to dispose of them as they see fit. Better than binning them, at least! Would you be more comfortable knowing they were lost for ever?

We all know and love the content of the tapes and the copyright is unaffected further by this sale. BOC even have fan videos for some of these old tracks on their timeline so they seem at peace with them being out there. Given that they leaked already selling these is no different to selling any legit release. She explicitly said they have other rarities and have not offered those for sale because they haven't leaked. Doesn't that demonstrate an understanding of the trust given by BoC or any artist who sends out a demo tape? Otherwise why not sell those too?

I can't summon the energy to attack those unhappy about the price or the reasons for selling or the relationship to the rest of their collection. Those points are just redundant. I will say that if you run an indie label this kind of thing is a fine perk to get for being in a non too secure business.


Personally I don't have money to invest. And that's what they would be for me. Only someone truly rich could afford to buy them with no thought of ever being forced to sell them in the future.

[sevenELIXIR]

wonder if the winner will rip in higher quality???