The Bleep Advent calendar has something BoC coming soon!

[Jango9]

I thought we all loved this band because they wouldn't resort to that, but eh I guess we all have different standards

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all loved this band because of their music?

[Dandegyrecorder]

i didnt know you could be this offended by a poster

I'm offended, because BoC were supposed to be something else than quick cash grabs. But I was wrong this whole time

If you don't want to agree with me, that's fine. But don't show your blindness by saying stuff like that. I thought we all loved this band because they wouldn't resort to that, but eh I guess we all have different standards

i dont think BoC's main objective is "not cash grabbing". i like this band because their music sounds good. im surprised that other people that like their music are upset because Bleep decided to sell an expensive poster. if youre really upset by the actual subject matter, you can just look away. you can enjoy BoC and not have that poster at the same time

[Mexicola]

Something about the price perhaps makes it feel a little like a cash in to me, but equally it is an OFFER which we can choose to purchase or not. The decision is still with the individual. I can see both sides to the argument. I don't believe BOC would sellout and begin peddling the lunchbox, fragrance or action figure even though they could easily rake it in if they did.

If the actual music was overpriced or gig tickets (I can dream)I might feel stronger about it I guess. Again, value is subjective and determined by the individual. What I find a must-buy, others can avoid.

[Dandegyrecorder]

it is an OFFER which we can choose to purchase or not. The decision is still with the individual. What I find a must-buy, others can avoid.

exactly. its not like they owed us something big and didnt follow through, its just "hey, heres an expensive poster, you can buy it if you want"

[Najlepsiejszy]

i dont think BoC's main objective is "not cash grabbing". i like this band because their music sounds good. im surprised that other people that like their music are upset because Bleep decided to sell an expensive poster. if youre really upset by the actual subject matter, you can just look away. you can enjoy BoC and not have that poster at the same time

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all loved this band because of their music?

If you're not huge fans of BoC, then your reasoning is sound and sorry that I generalized, but if you are a huge fan of BoC like I was just a few hours ago, then you might have understood my position

If BoC was about cash grabbing, they would have released their old material a long time ago. But it looks like they had some principles (do they make sense or not, you be the judge). By releasing this poster, or at least saying it's okay to release it, they have destroyed their integrity in my eyes. What's the purpose of making a poster for an album 2 years old for 60 real, American dollars? And making it limited for 100 people? What's the point of exclusivity, you may ask- the point is simple. To create demand by making people think they're buying a limited product. They've probably spent 5 bucks on each poster and look at how much they've earned in about 2 hours. 4000 quid is two median monthly salaries in the UK. Let's be honest here, they wanted money. Is it something bad? No. But it's very, very hypocritical of them to do that.

BoC always say they want the best quality for their fans. What is that shit then? Old artwork from TH? Good QA by BoC...

I know BoC like to take a piss at people- like when they told us about cataloguing their early stuff for their children LOL- but this is not a joke. They've charged people and extraordinary amount of money (for a poster) for something that you can get in maybe a smaller version when you buy the LP of TH and definitely a smaller version when you buy a CD.

If you want to say I'm taking all of this way too seriously, can you just not say it? Some people are obsessed over books, movies- I'm obsessed over IDM and electronic music overall. If you don't want to read my posts, just skip over them. What would a forum be without negativity? Is this supposed to be one big circlejerk over how great BoC are?

[North by North]

Do they price their own albums and other merchandise as well? Pretty damn sure no, that's a record label thing/out of their hands. I do agree that the product was lame, but that's just me. Now the price is what is ridic, and I'm pretty positive the guys aren't sitting at their computer twiddling their fingers and laughing as they count their money. I do wish I knew what/if any say they had in it. If I was them and had ANY control, I would have asked for a lower selling price. Record labels have contracts with the band and pricing input is something they very likely have zero control over. I'll bet a million rare BOC posters that money is the furthest thing from their mind or needs. Otherwise we'd have a lot more music.

MDG- are the guys crooks, or did they try to be nice/active and offer a piece of limited merch (with or without say over price), or were they forced entirely to participate in the first place?

Regardless, I'm sure no sleep will be lost, and the same should go for everyone else. As Mexi said, 100 people got something they obviously like very much, or at least enough to drop a few stacks on. Good for them. Me, I'll just make my own.

[Mexicola]

Let's keep it on topic please.

[valleaux]

Now that I think about it, I might have paid $60 for a poster if it was REALLY cool, like a big collage of pictures related to one album or something, but it wasn't. I love TH, and a really cool poster would be awesome, but for just the artwork, I'm personally happy with my 12" vinyl sleeve.

[Mexicola]

Deleting posts which aren't on topic

[Peacock Tail]

[North by North]

LMFAO- well done.

[noisy]

Brilliant PT. Now that's what I call a Christmas clear out.

Don't go giving BLEEP any more ideas. Don't want anybody getting upset again over merchandising ploy's.

[jcnporter]

I think you'd pay about £20 to get a photo printed on similar size and quality paper, so £40 for a limited edition print that's obviously meant to be a collector's item doesn't seem like a take-the-piss rip off to me.

[Peacock Tail]

I think you'd pay about £20 to get a photo printed on similar size and quality paper, so £40 for a limited edition print that's obviously meant to be a collector's item doesn't seem like a take-the-piss rip off to me.

£9.20 actually http://www.largephotoprints.co.uk/prices-guildlines.php

[zeoevil]

I play a game called Warhammer 40,000 wherein I'm routinely asked to buy expensive models and supplies in order to play. About two years ago, against every fiber in my being, I bought a $115 Wraithknight. Over the course of the last two years, that $115 purchase brought me more joy than I could have imagined. Between building it, painting it, and playing with it, I got my money's worth and then some. Some will decry the price like I did. Others will simply bought the model without much thought. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that money is only worth what you decide it is worth. Is the joy derived from money more important than the money itself or is the money more important than the joy it can bring you?

[Negamuse]

I dunno. £40 just seems like what £5 posters go for on eBay when they get into a bidding war, and they're rare because they were meant to be adverts in record shops and most of them have been destroyed before the fanbase got big enough for anyone to think "maybe someone wants this". Producing them in artificially limited quantity and starting them on sale at £40 just seems like "hey, there's a lot of people selling stuff online, I wanna get in on that action", it seems like gouging for something that however you dress it up isn't worth it.

This thing about cost and worth... an economics teacher once said to me "you know these two things are dependent on circumstance. A diamond costs a lot, but if you meet someone in the desert and you have a diamond and a bottle of water, the chances are the bottle of water is going to be worth more to him." But if you stand in the desert flogging water bottles at diamond prices to thirsty people, you're pretty much a dick by definition IMO.

[murmur maris]

Also strange that boc shared nothing on their facebook/twitter pages

[jcnporter]

I think you'd pay about £20 to get a photo printed on similar size and quality paper, so £40 for a limited edition print that's obviously meant to be a collector's item doesn't seem like a take-the-piss rip off to me.

£9.20 actually http://www.largephotoprints.co.uk/prices-guildlines.php

Looks like I should have shopped around!

[Kure]

I really don't get why people are so mad about this. Sure a poster of some TH artwork may be a bit weak according to some, and yes, the price may be a bit steep, but it's not mandatory for people to buy everything there is with BoC. Owning and the fact that people want to have everything that BoC releases, does not make you a true devotee of our lords and saviors The Sandinsons. It's first and foremost their music that we all like and appreciate. Offering merchandise is just a part of the music industry for fans who would like to own a t-shirt etc. and some fans don't want merchandise, then fine, don't buy it - end of story. I bought it, because I liked it, and couldn't be arsed over the fact that it is 'just' a poster, or its price. If I like what I see, I buy it. If I don't like it, I leave it be. I don't come jumping in on the forum and rant about how I wanted it to be something more valuable than a poster.

Now this is only my opinion from what I've seen and read, and I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me, but I suppose the only reason people went awol over this could be related to the fact that, when people noticed BoC was a part of this advent calendar, they immediately started thinking that it was something glorious like an album or an EP, or basically anything but a poster, and then when the poster was revealed, people got disappointed and mad, because Warp apparently didn't give them what they wanted, but instead made a limited and pricey poster - for people who wanted something like that. Just like they did with the kaleidoscope back when Geogaddi was released - I was too young to know who BoC was at that time, so I don't know if people did the same thing back then as they are doing now with this poster.

Sometimes I think that BoC could release the infamous boxset, and some people would still rant over how it didn't include some of tracks they are cataloguing for their children or the acoustic version of MHTRTC or something like that. Some people are never satisfied with what they are offered and what they get.

Well, would you look at that. This must be the longest post/rant I've ever made on Twoism. It's healthy to have a discussion like this every now and then

[thepastinsidepressant]

and for those not in the know, they'd go on there and buy their geogaddi vinyls from bleep, first timers may possibly get the left overs of the dud slabs that they cocked up on. if i wanted to buy a spare copy, i can't really, unless i want to go through all that again and send them back audio files so that they go their 'special' shelf and pull off the corrected version.

chancers these labels, they wouldn't exactly dump all the old vinyls but wait until someone complains. remind you of banks nowadays? say nothing till you're caught.

there will eventually be a way to kill these milking machines for good and use just one middle company to fulfil the artists wishes without milking for profit. nobody needs record labels, they just need a fulfilment centre.

ha, and the Aphex perspex case lol, wtf. tbh they all have a say in it i think. it looks good though to deny and say their hands are tied. their music was presented on dodgy repressings and bleep continue to sell them. they have a say in that but it doesn't stop.

slightly off-topic, but it always amazes me how groups of people come together to try and make money off peoples efforts by offering Awards, and charge you to enter it. Their argument is it will get you exposure, enter, pay up, heres you wooden cube with your name on it, made for 1/10th of your entry fee. these organisations and ceos driving around in mercs. same can be said for charities.

sick f***ing times indeed.