Echo the Sun wrote:Opothecary wrote:Echo the Sun wrote:just because the dates line up?
What dates?
sorry, i'll clarify. do you believe that lsd had a significant impact on society just because the things you mentioned coincided with the widespread use of the drug, or do you have hard evidence that correlates lsd with those things?
Sure, that's easy, I don't really want to derail the thread any further so this will be about it for me on the subject. Anyone who has ingested LSD even once knows that it gives you lasting insights and helps you see alternative ways of approaching problems. There's professionals/engineers/creative types who microdose (ingest threshold amounts) to get these types of benefits from it, but not enough to get the usual accompanying mindfuck. It's not coincidence that its widespread use coincided with major societal upheaval. It does stick with you in some respects even after the (at the time) earth shattering insights that you're feeling while under the influence fade afterward.
Some people used it correctly, most did not. Some used it for insight, some used it for escape. I think it's very misunderstood, the war on drugs/"just say no" in the 70s/80s in the US (and subsequently worldwide) created all these false equivalencies, that all "drugs" are bad and useless.
I'd challenge anyone to name a more important game changer other than LSD and the internet in the second half of the 20th century. It was actually a lot like the internet in that respect, you can spend your time reading up on a new subject, or you can spend all your time playing mobile games and shitposting on message boards. It can be great or awful depending on your approach and what you want to get out of it. I would say even now it has more of a taboo attached to it now than it did then. For a time it was cheap, legal and there was no draconian war on drugs equating it with heroin and crystal meth.
This is just a quick Google search so I'm sure there's plenty of clickbait.
Microdosing:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/psy ... bb4bac9db8The Beatles:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ce-w436062Steve Jobs:
https://www.thefix.com/content/steve-jo ... d-lsd-9143Grateful Dead:
http://liveforlivemusic.com/news/gratef ... oking-for/DNA double helix:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFr ... ck#LSD_UseNote the above is just a discussion on the subject, I think it's still a contentious topic that involves people applying their own beliefs and morals to it - if you're open minded or pro LSD, you want to believe it had an influence, if you're a proper scientific mind, maybe not.