The 6-number sequence as it stands

[Twoist]

Did those red moon numbers ever come to anything?

The numbers arranged against the picture make me think of a radio station's logo, where they tell you the frequency of the station.

No-one was any the clearer after it happened.

http://bocpages.org/wiki/Red_Moon_incident

[Cupz]

The red moon code was never conclusively solved. That said the eyes code did contain something that could be quite easily decoded as co-ordinates to a beach on the east coast of Scotland. For some reason most people refused to believe this. One guy posted somewhere that he went and he provided a description of it. That post was lost a while back and again most people refused to belive it. Personally I thought it was true.

I may try and dig out the co-ordinates...

oh yeah, that story was believable untill he uploaded the broken tape he found in the burned wood

[mechanismj]

I would think if it's going to appear anywhere on TV, it will be in one of the bumpers on Adult Swim.

[Techboy]

http://bocpages.org/wiki/Record_Store_Day_incident
I updated the bocpages to be actually useful and informative.

[Opothecary]

The red moon code was never conclusively solved. That said the eyes code did contain something that could be quite easily decoded as co-ordinates to a beach on the east coast of Scotland. For some reason most people refused to believe this. One guy posted somewhere that he went and he provided a description of it. That post was lost a while back and again most people refused to belive it. Personally I thought it was true.

I may try and dig out the co-ordinates...

oh yeah, that story was believable untill he uploaded the broken tape he found in the burned wood

I thought I remember someone mentioning running into a chick with a walkie talkie and an ATV or something, who led him to the party, which turned out to be just that - a party, nothing super mysterious or glamorous. I think the "burnt tapes" thing was from a different person and was totally unbelievable. I don't know why the first (much more plausible) story isn't mentioned more often, maybe it was disproven at some point later and I missed it during the lean years.

[Hunter]

my tea leaves are saying 499739 might be another number based on the darjeeling matrix. Probably totally wrong but hey. And maybe a 276547/277547.

[harpoon dodger]

Twoism this Week: Apophenia at it's finest

[BunnyRabbit]

The tapes thing was BS but this was what I was referring to:

http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15019#15019

and the co-ordinates:

http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15067#15067

edit

and the WATMM thread :
http://forum.watmm.com/topic/9513-hey-look/

It was pointed out a day too late!!! Hence the Wedding Singer quote.

[Techboy]

I personally don't really agree with the one-time pad theory but if we're going to go down that road then here is how an OTP works. I quote from a book on quantum information theory I bought back when I was less skint. Terminology - Alice is sending the message, Bob is receiving the message, Eve is an eavesdropper trying to decode the message.

The first and simplest cipher to achieve perfect secrecy was the Vernam cipher, or one-time pad. The central idea is that the rule for transposing or substituting the letters changes for each symbol and never
repeats. In the digital age, all messages are represented by a string of binary digits. Alice’s message is encoded in this bit string, using a system such as ASCII, and it is this string that constitutes the plaintext. ASCII, or the American Standard Code for Information Interchange, maps 128 distinct symbols onto the 128 different seven bit strings 0000000 to 1111111. For example, the 26 upper-case letters, A, B, ···, Z, correspond to the binary strings 1000001, 1000010, ···, 10011010, and the lower-case letters, a, b, ···,z,are represented by the numbers 1100001, 1100010, ···, 1111010. Any message of m characters (including spaces) will correspond to a continuous string of 7m bits, with spaces between words encoded as the string 1011100.

Let us suppose that all of the possible messages are encoded as strings of N bits so as to be indistinguishable on the basis of length alone. Shorter messages can be increased to N bits, for example by adding zeros or the ASCII code for the suitable number of spaces. The Vernam cipher uses a key of N randomly chosen bits and its security relies entirely on the secrecy of this, which should ideally be known only to Alice and Bob. The ciphertext is created by modulo 2 addition, which we denote by ⊕:

Code:

0⊕0=0
0⊕1=1
1⊕0=1
1⊕1=0

Performing this addition bit by bit between the plaintext and the key generates the ciphertext:

Code:

P =  ...001011010...,
K = ...101110100...,
C = P ⊕ K = ...100101110...

We can see from the above example that modulo 2 addition on each bit either leaves the bit the same, or flips the bit, and if the key is random then then each of these events occurs with probability one half. The nett effect is that the ciphertext itself reflects the random nature of the key, in that to anyone without access to the key the ciphertext is random and hence carriers no information about the plaintext.

... the book then shows mathematically that Shannon's criterion for perfect secrecy is satisfied by this result, and then Shannon's noisy coding theorem tells us that no information about the plaintext is carried by C alone. Recovering the information is therefore only possible once you have the key.

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So what does all this mean in relation to the RSD key? It is either a mathematical challenge, or a password for a website, or one of these other theories - or the key to an existing ciphertext to be revealed. If you must believe it is an OTP then the fact it is all numerical makes it unlikely that the coding mechanism is ASCII, so drop that. As you can see the OTP operation is performed on bits, and the number of bits required to represent 1-9 (so far, no zeros) is four 0000 - 1111 = 1+2+4+8 = 15.
It's possible that some messages are keys and some messages are ciphertexts also, and there may be some way to differentiate. I won't be going down that road though because I dunno, it seems rather odd (read completely mental) that you'd need to pick up a graduate level physics textbook to solve the problem.

[BunnyRabbit]

Aaaaaand (via my buddy Barker)

http://gridreferencefinder.com/?gr=NT9360055700|NT936557|1,NT7170022800|NT717228|1,NT5190022500|NT519225|1,NT6990074200|NT699742|1,NT5247174357|55.959867_s__c__s_-2.7628534|3,NT2844056287|55.794554_s__c__s_-3.142897|3&v=h#

Any geo-cachers out in Scotland?

[Keeoaddi]

Did those red moon numbers ever come to anything?

The numbers arranged against the picture make me think of a radio station's logo, where they tell you the frequency of the station.

No-one was any the clearer after it happened.

http://bocpages.org/wiki/Red_Moon_incident

Such a strange thing to be left unsolved. The number almost looks like a Geo URI.

[Yellow Records]

Aaaaaand (via my buddy Barker)

http://gridreferencefinder.com/?gr=NT9360055700|NT936557|1,NT7170022800|NT717228|1,NT5190022500|NT519225|1,NT6990074200|NT699742|1,NT5247174357|55.959867_s__c__s_-2.7628534|3,NT2844056287|55.794554_s__c__s_-3.142897|3&v=h#

Any geo-cachers out in Scotland?

*shits*

[Techboy]

Aaaaaand (via my buddy Barker)

http://gridreferencefinder.com/?gr=NT9360055700|NT936557|1,NT7170022800|NT717228|1,NT5190022500|NT519225|1,NT6990074200|NT699742|1,NT5247174357|55.959867_s__c__s_-2.7628534|3,NT2844056287|55.794554_s__c__s_-3.142897|3&v=h#

Any geo-cachers out in Scotland?

*shits* lol

wtf is going on here. stupid phpbb not handling pipes correctly

[TaoTapeTao]

Aaaaaand (via my buddy Barker)

http://gridreferencefinder.com/?gr=NT9360055700|NT936557|1,NT7170022800|NT717228|1,NT5190022500|NT519225|1,NT6990074200|NT699742|1,NT5247174357|55.959867_s__c__s_-2.7628534|3,NT2844056287|55.794554_s__c__s_-3.142897|3&v=h#

Any geo-cachers out in Scotland?

*shits* lol

wtf is going on here. stupid phpbb not handling pipes correctly

[Techboy]

...

Going back to my 'theory' that one part of the message is the ciphertext and one part of the message is the key,then 717228 XOR 936557 is 310209. A DATE! Except... can we be sure it means anything? No, because it is actually just a random number - as random as the key used.

[Herzog]

Anyone checked if they're phone numbers?


Btw, the thing that kinda ruins the whole one time pad encryption idea is that number stations almost always broadcast numbers in sets of 5 digits. And these are in sets of 6.

[1991]

Maybe this was done before, if so, i'm sorry for posting it again.

After this comments on the AtalantaFugien's video:
"Has anyone even noticed that 4:19 is a number which has been used by Boards before? 4/19 is the day that David Koresh died, and his building was assaulted. The song 1969 is about David Koresh, and it's 4:19 long."

I checked the 419 number and it seems its no 'ordinary' number or even an ordinary prime:
"A prime number, Sophie Germain prime, Chen prime, Eisenstein prime with no imaginary part, highly cototient number, Mertens function returns 0"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_(number)

[Techboy]

Anyone checked if they're phone numbers?


Btw, the thing that kinda ruins the whole one time pad encryption idea is that number stations almost always broadcast numbers in sets of 5 digits. And these are in sets of 6.

The sets aren't really important to the decoding process, as you'll find if you look it up there are known messages which decode
INTHE MANNE RSHOW NINTH ISEXA MPLE.
and you just have to find the words with your human brain
Anyway I did the last operation wrong, bit by bit XOR instead infact leads to either 14 02 01 07 07 02 or 02 00 14 00 00 13.
It's not actually too unbelievable when I think about it that the repeating bits would exist as a kind of redundancy check for the information if decoded in that manner. Because anything XOR anything = 0 i.e. it is useless information. So what if the message is in the format of

IIICCI/ICCIII/IIICCI message/key versus IIICCI/ICCIII/IIICCI where I is information and C is the redundancy check?

Or perhaps I should just take my pills....

[zeitgeist]

I can't really understand the cipher talk in half this thread, but surely some of you are working on some kind of english code with the numbers? A=1, B=2, etc, although most likely not that one exactly

There are some other interesting number/letter codes in relation to Gematria, Astrology, and Pi, namely these extensive vids on YT by a random "non-BOCcer":

Code:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M
N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 5 4 3 2 1


That one obviously wouldn't work because we're going higher than 7, but I thought this kind of idea is definitely worth playing with.

Last edited by zeitgeist on Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[ffloyd]

i'm useless at cyphers..

but i was just wondering if these numbers could be taken as coordinates?