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[Doors_Of_Perception]

Now the question is, can I release the tapes or not? Even if I do, the fundraiser is NO LONGER A PART OF IT. THE FUNDRAISER IS SEPARATE. NO CORRELATION TO BOC. NO CORRELATION TO THE RELEASE.

Now I feel awful, I'm so sorry to both Fred and Hexagon Sun. I just didn't know, and I hope you don't take it personally.

That's a tough question. I'm not going to provide an answer to that.

And don't feel sorry. I hope you can see the other end of the story now and can be respectful of that.

I do understand now, I appreciate your patience.
Do you know who I can contact?

[Fredd-E]

Now the question is, can I release the tapes or not? Even if I do, the fundraiser is NO LONGER A PART OF IT. THE FUNDRAISER IS SEPARATE. NO CORRELATION TO BOC. NO CORRELATION TO THE RELEASE.

Now I feel awful, I'm so sorry to both Fred and Hexagon Sun. I just didn't know, and I hope you don't take it personally.

That's a tough question. I'm not going to provide an answer to that.

And don't feel sorry. I hope you can see the other end of the story now and can be respectful of that.

I do understand now, I appreciate your patience.
Do you know who I can contact?

I'd say [email protected]

[Doors_Of_Perception]

Now the question is, can I release the tapes or not? Even if I do, the fundraiser is NO LONGER A PART OF IT. THE FUNDRAISER IS SEPARATE. NO CORRELATION TO BOC. NO CORRELATION TO THE RELEASE.

Now I feel awful, I'm so sorry to both Fred and Hexagon Sun. I just didn't know, and I hope you don't take it personally.

That's a tough question. I'm not going to provide an answer to that.

And don't feel sorry. I hope you can see the other end of the story now and can be respectful of that.

I do understand now, I appreciate your patience.
Do you know who I can contact?

I'd say [email protected]

Oh Lord... That's certainly... Scary.
Does anyone think it's even worth it?

[lewwatt]

Sounds like there's an objection to selling it but not releasing.

Why not release it and then get the donation thing sorted and/or auction off the tapes ?

We'd love to hear those sweet detailed sounds

I don't know now if I can release it, all this needs to be straightened out. I really don't like that I'm upsetting people. I really didn't mean any harm...

These tapes are already out there, you'd be doing a service to the community to be releasing these in higher quality. Whether or not you release these tapes does not affect the position of Boards of Canada despite the (imo) excessive caution that is being urged. Of course, as everyone has already said, just be sure that the donation fund is entirely independent of this.

Perhaps start another thread with a form of proof that your cause is genuinely charitable elsewhere on the forums? I'm sure that you could garner some support being a fellow BoC fan. If I was in your situation I'd be doing everything I could too, to help the ones I love and that includes reaching out to those who have the most in common with you regardless of their anonymity.

Just my two cents.

[Opothecary]

long story short: Fredd-E cares a lot more than mdg does

carry on...

EDIT: sorry, I don't mean to be facetious. I can see that Fredd-E has a certain responsibility to make sure this place isn't the wild west, but the damage was done with this material a long time ago. I would hope that if it had to be out there, BoC would want their work heard in the best possible way.

In terms of the fundraising piece, everyone has agreed that it should be something completely separate from this upgrade of the material. People are aware of the situation there now and probably more likely to donate if there's some accountability involved with the process.

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[Fredd-E]

long story short: Fredd-E cares a lot more than mdg does

Nope. It's on equal level. My My first post reflects his opinion on the matter after we discussed it. MDG's post is just a continuation of that; a confirmation of sorts. And also I don't think it's necessary to bicker about this really.

[Najlepsiejszy]

I wish you could do it Caustic Window-like. Set a minimum Kickstarter pledge and some limit and every penny that goes above the limit goes to the brothers- the rest is yours.

[re-phaelam-ed]

I wish you could do it Caustic Window-like. Set a minimum Kickstarter pledge and some limit and every penny that goes above the limit goes to the brothers- the rest is yours.

you need permission for that.

[Najlepsiejszy]

I wish you could do it Caustic Window-like. Set a minimum Kickstarter pledge and some limit and every penny that goes above the limit goes to the brothers- the rest is yours.

you need permission for that.

Well we do have some people here who know them...

[Opothecary]

I wish you could do it Caustic Window-like. Set a minimum Kickstarter pledge and some limit and every penny that goes above the limit goes to the brothers- the rest is yours.

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that I'd love to see them do that someday with their other early releases if they can't get it together and put together a proper boxset. I wonder if ownership of their back catalog reverts to them when their contract with Warp ends...like re-phaelem-ed pointed out, its not really an option here though...

[northernlite]

I feel like this has 'blown up' to the level that if it has attracted MDG, the brothers will likely hear something about this. Maybe this will prompt a more official statement?

EDIT: To clarify; What I mean is, the demand is more than obviously here. It's been stated in the past that they are (considering?) putting together a collection of old material. I feel that maybe this will bring on some kind of official 'word' regarding those possibilities.

[lewwatt]

Nope. It's on equal level. My previous post reflects his opinion on the matter after having discussed it. His first post is just a continuation of that; a confirmation of sorts.

The issues raised by yourself and mdg seem to be that there is a possibility that this is not legitimately charitable:

I wouldn't advise anyone to donate money to an unverified paypal account unless you are absolutely sure it is for a certified charity.

This could be solved if proof were provided, or if a service which ensures that donations go to a charitable cause was used rather than PayPal. Then there wouldn't be any concern to where the money is ending up. Furthermore, this was only 'advice'. She can ask for donations if she wants (although you guys obviously have the right to stop her doing that on these specific forums) but cannot ask for a donation in return for the works of BoC.

The other, more important, issue raised is the morality and legality of doing this:

As well as this, there is the moral & legal question of offering the band's unreleased music up for cash.

I'd just reiterate that so long as the donations and release are treated as separate issues by OP and the tracks aren't used in any way to leverage donations it's unfair to call it 'offering the band's unreleased music up for cash'. It may have been naive of OP to think that it was alright to use the prospect of these files to get some publicity but I think it's excusable seeing her circumstance and how apologetic she has been. As it stands, she hasn't received any donations from people on this site and I think that's proof enough that these can still be treated separately.

I apologise if I come across as argumentative or anything, I'm just a fan who wants to hear these tracks without too much bureaucratic hubris.

[everythingyoudoisorange]

It does raise an interesting point that http://rareboc.ax.lt has never been removed, meaning it must not be stirring the Hexagon Sun bee's nest that much.

I think the bottom line is neither mdg nor Fredd-E (nor even BoC potentially) can provide you legal advice as to the best of my knowledge, none of the them are lawyers or have studied the field of law. Their material in all forms could very well still be tied to a Warp contract, I certainly haven't a clue.

In terms of sort of "spoiling the treat" I'd think mdg would say if the brothers specifically requested this notion be struck down immediately on the basis of ruining plans. Maybe it'd be different if something like Acid Memories were planned for a BoC-set and you were "spoiling the treat" of hearing new-old tracks for the first time from elsewhere. It more seems the semantics of it involving $, and I understand their reservation and skepticism too as things can get hairy in a situation like this.

Where would it even lie if someone were to recreate all the samples from scratch so that its not just a cleaned up source of the original material, but reconstructed from scratch like Machinedrum did with that untitled ATP track? I mean I don't believe he ever sold it for money, i think he just released it as a freebie out of love for the brothers Sandison.

As I recall, during the Lake Delores listening party, there were ustreams and mdg said the brothers said recording the first three songs was alright but that was it. Some streamer proceeded to tape part of Jacquard Causeway before likely getting shut down, and mdg reiterated this was going against their wishes.

I don't think they feel strongly about it on this one in terms of its release, but I am merely going with my gut.

And I think Fredd-E is right, there's no reason to bicker about it for multiple reasons. One) it gets nothing done and two) we should be grateful this thread hasn't been closed and we are still here discussing it!

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[Opothecary]

Like I pointed out earlier in this thread, I really think whatever their plans are for their back catalog, intact releases of the OTV tapes are probably an unrealistic proposition compared to whatever else they might want to put out from back them. R35TT seems to be relatively sample free and is pretty much all killer, no filler.

This might be why they have never had any of it taken down. They might just realize and accept that appearing to be sue-happy is a losing scenario that would just serve to make them look "bad", regardless of the fact that they'd be defending their rightful intellectual property. For better or worse, their fanbase is tech savvy and will probably try to acquire whatever they want regardless of their wishes.

I'd love to be proven wrong on a release of those tapes, but I just think there are a lot of challenges with rights clearances and too much filler material. Don't get me wrong, it all has a certain charm, and there's very little of it that I skip over, but I just don't see it happening as-is.

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[chronical]

this has gone from a happily awaiting music discussion to a tense moneymaking talk.

I'd say release it for free, show some proper papers of said cancer and open a donation page for that so the ones who would be willing to share their money with the generous soul who gave us these tapes can do so.

I think mdg's point is just the fact that it's illegal to "sell" music that isn't yours. Even from a moral standpoint it's understandable that the brothers would want to know if the money really goes to a legitimate claim..

Still, thanks for all this so far!!

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[re-phaelam-ed]

It does raise an interesting point that http://rareboc.ax.lt has never been removed, meaning it must not be stirring the Hexagon Sun bee's nest that much.

I think the bottom line is neither mdg nor Fredd-E (nor even BoC potentially) can provide you legal advice as to the best of my knowledge, none of the them are lawyers or have studied the field of law. Their material in all forms could very well still be tied to a Warp contract, I certainly haven't a clue.

In terms of sort of "spoiling the treat" I'd think mdg would say if the brothers specifically requested this notion be struck down immediately on the basis of ruining plans. Maybe it'd be different if something like Acid Memories were planned for a BoC-set and you were "spoiling the treat" of hearing new-old tracks for the first time from elsewhere. It's more seems the semantics of it involving $, and I understand their reservation and skepticism too as things can get hairy in a situation like this.

Where would it even lie if someone were to recreate all the samples from scratch so that its not just a cleaned up source of the original material, but reconstructed from scratch like Machinedrum did with that untitled ATP track? I mean I don't believe he ever sold it for money, i think he just released it as a freebie out of love for the brothers Sandison.

As I recall, during the Lake Delores listening party, there were ustreams and mdg said the brothers said recording the first three songs was alright but that was it. Some streamer proceeded to tape part of Jacquard Causeway before likely getting shut down, and mdg reiterated this was going against their wishes.

I don't think they feel strongly about it on this one in terms of its release, but I am merely going with my gut.

And I think Fredd-E is right, there's no reason to bicker about it for multiple reasons. One) it gets nothing done and two) we should be grateful this thread hasn't been closed and we are still here discussing it!

i think....we need to stop telling everybody what everyone else is thinking. YOU HAVE NO FREAKIN' CLUE

[Najlepsiejszy]

Let's kickstart a lawyer and a philosopher. They will tell us if it's both legal and moral to do this.

[everythingyoudoisorange]

It does raise an interesting point that http://rareboc.ax.lt has never been removed, meaning it must not be stirring the Hexagon Sun bee's nest that much.

I think the bottom line is neither mdg nor Fredd-E (nor even BoC potentially) can provide you legal advice as to the best of my knowledge, none of the them are lawyers or have studied the field of law. Their material in all forms could very well still be tied to a Warp contract, I certainly haven't a clue.

In terms of sort of "spoiling the treat" I'd think mdg would say if the brothers specifically requested this notion be struck down immediately on the basis of ruining plans. Maybe it'd be different if something like Acid Memories were planned for a BoC-set and you were "spoiling the treat" of hearing new-old tracks for the first time from elsewhere. It's more seems the semantics of it involving $, and I understand their reservation and skepticism too as things can get hairy in a situation like this.

Where would it even lie if someone were to recreate all the samples from scratch so that its not just a cleaned up source of the original material, but reconstructed from scratch like Machinedrum did with that untitled ATP track? I mean I don't believe he ever sold it for money, i think he just released it as a freebie out of love for the brothers Sandison.

As I recall, during the Lake Delores listening party, there were ustreams and mdg said the brothers said recording the first three songs was alright but that was it. Some streamer proceeded to tape part of Jacquard Causeway before likely getting shut down, and mdg reiterated this was going against their wishes.

I don't think they feel strongly about it on this one in terms of its release, but I am merely going with my gut.

And I think Fredd-E is right, there's no reason to bicker about it for multiple reasons. One) it gets nothing done and two) we should be grateful this thread hasn't been closed and we are still here discussing it!

i think....we need to stop telling everybody what everyone else is thinking. YOU HAVE NO FREAKIN' CLUE

And I'm transparent with not knowing every time. I guess I'll take a vow of silence on the matter from here on out, as stating an interpretation has been deemed offensive.

Why should we have talked about the tomorrow's harvest chase at all for that matter? No one still has any idea which end is up with those clues and codes.

[everythingyoudoisorange]

Let's kickstart a lawyer and a philosopher. They will tell us if it's both legal and moral to do this.

Haha

[Moebius]

It's more seems the semantics of it involving $, and I understand their reservation and skepticism too as things can get hairy in a situation like this.

Where would it even lie if someone were to recreate all the samples from scratch so that its not just a cleaned up source of the original material, but reconstructed from scratch like Machinedrum did with that untitled ATP track? I mean I don't believe he ever sold it for money, i think he just released it as a freebie out of love for the brothers Sandison.

When it comes down to it, all the file trading of the leaks and live stuff is technically illegal. They might not like it, but once it's out it's hard for them to stop, and most bands are willing to let it go as long as it's not being done for profit. If the files had been quietly remastered and dumped out onto the net, some people might have been pissed, but at the end of the day, nothing would have happened. It's when money becomes involved that you really force their hand. No artist is going to just sit back and do nothing when other people are taking money for their work without authorization.

So, while it is technically a legal issue, it really comes down to moral/ethical considerations that need to be respected in order for the legalities to be overlooked.