ATP Sound Board leak

[Group Hex]

I used to work as an in-house engineer in a residential recording studio in England. And so while I engineered many tracks I never got to master any, always found it fascinating how much mastering could elevate a track further, when you thought you couldn't possibly better it in the mix. Definitely a dark art when done correctly. Occasionally it would ruin the dynamics but not often.

It’s mysterious, absolutely. I never had the aptitude to do what my father does - takes very very fine tuned ears.

In any case, the soundboard recordings sound bueno.

[Hellstreets]

Even if we don't get the rest of the soundboard or whatever the "misc lost tracks 2001" is i'll be eternally grateful for soundboard of ATP 03, absolutely gorgeous tune

[outhudd]

Even if we don't get the rest of the soundboard or whatever the "misc lost tracks 2001" is i'll be eternally grateful for soundboard of ATP 03, absolutely gorgeous tune

Do you mean another one? ATP 03 is one of the soundboard leaks

[Skimming Stone]

Even if we don't get the rest of the soundboard or whatever the "misc lost tracks 2001" is i'll be eternally grateful for soundboard of ATP 03, absolutely gorgeous tune

Do you mean another one? ATP 03 is one of the soundboard leaks

Pretty sure they're saying they're thankful that we got that one, and I agree, it really is gorgeous

[outhudd]

Ah got it now! Completely agree

[Hellstreets]

Even if we don't get the rest of the soundboard or whatever the "misc lost tracks 2001" is i'll be eternally grateful for soundboard of ATP 03, absolutely gorgeous tune

Do you mean another one? ATP 03 is one of the soundboard leaks

Pretty sure they're saying they're thankful that we got that one, and I agree, it really is gorgeous

Indeed, also makes me think about all the material Chris Cunningham got for the Telecom Italia ad (including a portion of this apparently), he's sitting on a treasure trove

[747Music]

Mastering can bring out some amazing results, it's true. But mastering a track is NOT necessary to produce a good mix with dynamic sounds. If you rely on mastering to add the magic to your tracks or fix your mistakes, you are sorely lacking mixing knowledge. Mastering should simply be a touch up in frequency range volume and stereo mixing to ensure quality across mediums.

To set up a live show, playing live equipment, you will still run the instruments and samples through a similar structure of using busses and FX passes that are preconfigured to be very similar, if not exact, to the mix for the studio version of the song. This "soundboard" take of Track 07 uses largely overly-compressed samples that do not reflect the dynamics played in the live recording or the skill of the artists involved. Yes, it's difficult to grasp how things sound from the live recording, but what a convenient thing to hide behind.
Even so, set aside my gripe with its poor quality and listen to the synth lead for the first half of the song side by side with the live recording vs "soundboard". It's a complex harmony of notes and the notes do not match.

As I mentioned earlier, someone let me hear the recreated samples they were working on years ago and that sample in particular irked me. The notes were off. I think this may be the exact same sample used because it is irking me in the exact same way. Either it's the person who made the recreated sample from scratch or someone who was shared the sample file who pieced this track together and they never fixed it.

[funnnnpng]

Mastering can bring out some amazing results, it's true. But mastering a track is NOT necessary to produce a good mix with dynamic sounds. If you rely on mastering to add the magic to your tracks or fix your mistakes, you are sorely lacking mixing knowledge. Mastering should simply be a touch up in frequency range volume and stereo mixing to ensure quality across mediums.

To set up a live show, playing live equipment, you will still run the instruments and samples through a similar structure of using busses and FX passes that are preconfigured to be very similar, if not exact, to the mix for the studio version of the song. This "soundboard" take of Track 07 uses largely overly-compressed samples that do not reflect the dynamics played in the live recording or the skill of the artists involved. Yes, it's difficult to grasp how things sound from the live recording, but what a convenient thing to hide behind.
Even so, set aside my gripe with its poor quality and listen to the synth lead for the first half of the song side by side with the live recording vs "soundboard". It's a complex harmony of notes and the notes do not match.

As I mentioned earlier, someone let me hear the recreated samples they were working on years ago and that sample in particular irked me. The notes were off. I think this may be the exact same sample used because it is irking me in the exact same way. Either it's the person who made the recreated sample from scratch or someone who was shared the sample file who pieced this track together and they never fixed it.

Upon comparing them, I don't hear any dissimilarity in the notes, so I'm not sure what you mean.

In live sound, you mix for the dynamics of the room, and we have no idea if tracks like "echus" or "atp-07" even have a "studio version" counterpart. Regardless, many live versions of released BoC songs contain marginally different sonic, textural & structural elements compared to their studio counterparts, anyways. I'm also really confused as to what you mean when you talk about the soundboard recording "not reflecting the dynamics played in the live recording", because my ears aren't giving me anything glaring but I'm also definitely not a pro lol.

I have no idea why someone would fake something like this so meticulously and take literally no credit for it unless they were a sadistic troll with all the time in the world on their hands .

[747Music]

Upon comparing them, I don't hear any dissimilarity in the notes, so I'm not sure what you mean.

In live sound, you mix for the dynamics of the room, and we have no idea if tracks like "echus" or "atp-07" even have a "studio version" counterpart. Regardless, many live versions of released BoC songs contain marginally different sonic, textural & structural elements compared to their studio counterparts, anyways. I'm also really confused as to what you mean when you talk about the soundboard recording "not reflecting the dynamics played in the live recording", because my ears aren't giving me anything glaring but I'm also definitely not a pro lol.

I have no idea why someone would fake something like this so meticulously and take literally no credit for it unless they were a sadistic troll with all the time in the world on their hands .

They created the songs in their studio first, then decided to play them live. Hence, "studio version" counterpart. That's all I meant.

I definitely hear a difference in the notes played. It's the last few notes at the very end of the loop. Notes that are prominent in the live recording, but you only hear the faint delay/echoes where the note should be in the "soundboard."

I suppose it's mostly pointless to argue against live recordings sounding different than what the soundboard would be, because that's true. But from my own experience in audio engineering, there are inconsistencies that can't hide behind that excuse. Things no room and recording device is going to fix. From my ears the bass in a few spots is just far too compressed and missing frequencies and in parts has inconsistent attack/release timings.
Consider just the bass in the opening. The live recording has the bass punching in hard. 1 note sustained for about a second with a small fade out, it's volume loudest in the first half of the sample. Then the soundboard recording has it phase in as if it's side-chained with the percussion through a compressor with a slow release (giving the bass a slow attack as a result) and then a delay was added to give it an echo. You can hear the delay play the bass note twice and it's the second note that is the loudest, making the second half of the sample the loudest. This is happening because it's not the same sample being used and it's not the same effects and mixing techniques being used. There is next to 0 life in the bass in this "soundboard" recording. I could go on and on, but I don't see the point.

I simply cannot buy the idea that this soundboard recording is what came out of those speakers at ATP and then through the room space and into 2 recording devices (as we have 2 separate people who recorded it live to compare) and in that process it magically changed the sound in a way that just isn't possible.

If you think it's real, no worries. Listen and enjoy. We differ in opinion. That's all. I'm not so sure there is a way I can definitively prove this is fake. If MDG chimes in and says it's real, I will happily eat my words and will remain confused.

There's no reason to jump to an extreme as to why someone would make these songs and lie about it. If someone is having fun trying to recreate it, then wanted to test their ability in recreating the music, the best test would be to hand it out and say it was real. Plenty of people have faked BoC in the past and I doubt any of them were sadists. Probably just people looking for validation or pulling a simple prank.

I went through old download folders and couldn't find the samples I was sent. I don't recall who sent them to me either. But the more I listen to the soundboard the more I'm convinced it's comprised of those samples, minus the samples that were incomplete. Because I had the same gripe with those samples as I do with this "soundboard" leak. There is some very well done work in this. Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's utter trash, I just definitely don't think it's real.

[PrimusSucksOnThis]

Upon comparing them, I don't hear any dissimilarity in the notes, so I'm not sure what you mean.

In live sound, you mix for the dynamics of the room, and we have no idea if tracks like "echus" or "atp-07" even have a "studio version" counterpart. Regardless, many live versions of released BoC songs contain marginally different sonic, textural & structural elements compared to their studio counterparts, anyways. I'm also really confused as to what you mean when you talk about the soundboard recording "not reflecting the dynamics played in the live recording", because my ears aren't giving me anything glaring but I'm also definitely not a pro lol.

I have no idea why someone would fake something like this so meticulously and take literally no credit for it unless they were a sadistic troll with all the time in the world on their hands .

They created the songs in their studio first, then decided to play them live. Hence, "studio version" counterpart. That's all I meant.

I definitely hear a difference in the notes played. It's the last few notes at the very end of the loop. Notes that are prominent in the live recording, but you only hear the faint delay/echoes where the note should be in the "soundboard."

I suppose it's mostly pointless to argue against live recordings sounding different than what the soundboard would be, because that's true. But from my own experience in audio engineering, there are inconsistencies that can't hide behind that excuse. Things no room and recording device is going to fix. From my ears the bass in a few spots is just far too compressed and missing frequencies and in parts has inconsistent attack/release timings.
Consider just the bass in the opening. The live recording has the bass punching in hard. 1 note sustained for about a second with a small fade out, it's volume loudest in the first half of the sample. Then the soundboard recording has it phase in as if it's side-chained with the percussion through a compressor with a slow release (giving the bass a slow attack as a result) and then a delay was added to give it an echo. You can hear the delay play the bass note twice and it's the second note that is the loudest, making the second half of the sample the loudest. This is happening because it's not the same sample being used and it's not the same effects and mixing techniques being used. There is next to 0 life in the bass in this "soundboard" recording. I could go on and on, but I don't see the point.

I simply cannot buy the idea that this soundboard recording is what came out of those speakers at ATP and then through the room space and into 2 recording devices (as we have 2 separate people who recorded it live to compare) and in that process it magically changed the sound in a way that just isn't possible.

If you think it's real, no worries. Listen and enjoy. We differ in opinion. That's all. I'm not so sure there is a way I can definitively prove this is fake. If MDG chimes in and says it's real, I will happily eat my words and will remain confused.

There's no reason to jump to an extreme as to why someone would make these songs and lie about it. If someone is having fun trying to recreate it, then wanted to test their ability in recreating the music, the best test would be to hand it out and say it was real. Plenty of people have faked BoC in the past and I doubt any of them were sadists. Probably just people looking for validation or pulling a simple prank.

I went through old download folders and couldn't find the samples I was sent. I don't recall who sent them to me either. But the more I listen to the soundboard the more I'm convinced it's comprised of those samples, minus the samples that were incomplete. Because I had the same gripe with those samples as I do with this "soundboard" leak. There is some very well done work in this. Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's utter trash, I just definitely don't think it's real.

The recording output might have not had the FX loop turned up as much. Everything else sounds exactly the same. I'm not sure how much more convincing - other than that it is note for note, second for second the same thing, but obviously a soundboard recording of the same exact show.

[cstalin]

Its still blowing my mind that some random kid has the scrapped post Geogaddi album demos and yall scared him away.

[belchmaster]

Its still blowing my mind that some random kid has the scrapped post Geogaddi album demos and yall scared him away.

Don't blame us, it was reddit.

[aphrix]

Any updates on this?. I saw someone on page 4 of this thread mentioned that they were in contact with the person.

[GeoDose]

We were THIS CLOSE to getting 13 or more Geogaddi outtakes...

Thanks a lot, Reddit! This is why humanity can't have nice things.

Fingers crossed more of these surface one day.

[Wildfire]

Sorry what happened? Can someone update me?

[GeoDose]

@ Wildfire:

See the attached image for what we could have had, before angry/reactive Redditors scared the kid away:

The owner of these files posted this find on the r/boardsofcanada subreddit but was essentially bullied into reclusion by the Reddit users who were skeptical of its authenticity and essentially harassed him off the site.

These three mp3 files were all that reddit user shared to another reddit user who pmed him of which was then sent to Mark.

There was another folder labeled "Miscellaneous Lost Tracks 2001" with unlabeled 13 tracks.

It is my opinion that the members of the r/boardsofcanada subreddit were responsible for their reclusion.

Here is what could have been and why that no longer is.

[Wildfire]

Omfg. This is heartbreaking.

[747Music]

@ Wildfire:

See the attached image for what we could have had, before angry/reactive Redditors scared the kid away:

The owner of these files posted this find on the r/boardsofcanada subreddit but was essentially bullied into reclusion by the Reddit users who were skeptical of its authenticity and essentially harassed him off the site.

These three mp3 files were all that reddit user shared to another reddit user who pmed him of which was then sent to Mark.

There was another folder labeled "Miscellaneous Lost Tracks 2001" with unlabeled 13 tracks.

It is my opinion that the members of the r/boardsofcanada subreddit were responsible for their reclusion.

Here is what could have been and why that no longer is.

Wow. People really just bullied him instead of having a civilized discussion about the material? That's not cool. I don't think they're real, but that doesn't give me any right to be nasty about it.