Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:10 am
saturdayindex wrote:And another point I might add. Why would any of us believe that BOC owes US something, when we steal things from them that they never intended us to have in the first place (aka all their unreleased music, and all the album downloads we've stolen off bittorrent)? Kinda hypocritical isnt it. Surely we are the ones in debt here...
I am no way saying that BoC owes us anything (they sure as hell don't), but I think that's too broad a generalization to say that "we" have stolen stuff. Not everyone does.
(the unreleased music... i agree there is a point there. but if it was available to be purchased, I'd have the CD and the vinyl, for sure.)
Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:16 am
I wonder if the removal of contact information on the boc website and the myspace page indicates their view on this subject.
Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:34 pm
apriorion wrote:I wonder if the removal of contact information on the boc website and the myspace page indicates their view on this subject.
That would probably be a fair assumption.
That and the 27 sacks of "When are you releasing a new album?" letters that some mug has to collect from the local Post Office every week.
Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:34 pm
iec wrote:saturdayindex wrote:And another point I might add. Why would any of us believe that BOC owes US something, when we steal things from them that they never intended us to have in the first place (aka all their unreleased music, and all the album downloads we've stolen off bittorrent)? Kinda hypocritical isnt it. Surely we are the ones in debt here...
I am no way saying that BoC owes us anything (they sure as hell don't), but I think that's too broad a generalization to say that "we" have stolen stuff. Not everyone does.
(the unreleased music... i agree there is a point there. but if it was available to be purchased, I'd have the CD and the vinyl, for sure.)
In rereading that, I can see that it might have sounded harsh. I didn't intend it to at all. I'm not pointing any fingers, but I think it's safe to make that generalization on this board that many if not most of us here of have stolen some of their music (and I don't plead myself innocent by any means).
Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:09 pm
Yeah. that's pretty much what i meant as well. yes, i have their leaked stuff.
on the other hand
i'm not sure it's fair to really judge the fans too hard, i mean what are they going to say once it's leaked already, and whoever was entrusted with the tapes has proven himself untrustworthy, "no, please don't share that unreleased boards of canada music with me for free, i'm using my telepathic powers to see that they would be really resentful of that and i don't want to hear it!"
on the other hand
i'm not sure it's fair to really judge the fans too hard, i mean what are they going to say once it's leaked already, and whoever was entrusted with the tapes has proven himself untrustworthy, "no, please don't share that unreleased boards of canada music with me for free, i'm using my telepathic powers to see that they would be really resentful of that and i don't want to hear it!"
Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:05 pm
I doubt there's a soul on this board who's not guilty of filesharing at some level. I doubt there are many innocent music fans worldwide, to be honest. The truth is that these days trying to keep data from people is like trying to deprive of them of rain- it just can't be done.
Now the originator of the leak, the man who obviously violated the confidence of BoC- definitely, shame on him. But I can't say I hold anyone blameworthy who chooses to listen to the tracks simply b/c they're out there. And I highly doubt BoC's release schedule is retaliatory- they seem to be people, who, like Stars of the Lid and other highly texture/tone oriented groups, take a long time making their music. And that's fine. If any of you are looking for recommendations to bide the time- I'd be happy to chip in. I'm not too stressed about it.
Now the originator of the leak, the man who obviously violated the confidence of BoC- definitely, shame on him. But I can't say I hold anyone blameworthy who chooses to listen to the tracks simply b/c they're out there. And I highly doubt BoC's release schedule is retaliatory- they seem to be people, who, like Stars of the Lid and other highly texture/tone oriented groups, take a long time making their music. And that's fine. If any of you are looking for recommendations to bide the time- I'd be happy to chip in. I'm not too stressed about it.
Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:07 pm
PS - If you're looking for something in the BoC vein, that new Bibio seems awfully nice.
Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:11 pm
i guess i'd also like to mention, i'm not just guilty of filesharing, i'm a frequent vocal proponent of it. i love internet piracy a great deal. i think it's a great human practice.
Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:21 pm
turquoise70 wrote:i guess i'd also like to mention, i'm not just guilty of filesharing, i'm a frequent vocal proponent of it. i love internet piracy a great deal. i think it's a great human practice.
And you know, not to derail this thread, but I do think about the morality of all the music I hoard sometimes. I really do. And I'm not entirely sure I've made up my mind.
Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:11 pm
Unless I'm mistaken, it was their decision to release some music onto a filesharing network that got them onto Warp Records in the first place, wasn't it?
Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:22 pm
Treefingers wrote:Unless I'm mistaken, it was their decision to release some music onto a filesharing network that got them onto Warp Records in the first place, wasn't it?
Don't think so. They were signed to skam first weren't they?
Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:49 am
No they sent a demo to Autechre who signed them to Skam, as I remember. Around the time MHTRTC was coming out, Warp asked to be in on the deal. Something to that effect. Can't be bothered to find the quote at the moment, though, sorry.
Nothing to do with filesharing though.
Nothing to do with filesharing though.
Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:50 pm
turquoise70 wrote:Yeah. that's pretty much what i meant as well. yes, i have their leaked stuff.
on the other hand
i'm not sure it's fair to really judge the fans too hard, i mean what are they going to say once it's leaked already, and whoever was entrusted with the tapes has proven himself untrustworthy, "no, please don't share that unreleased boards of canada music with me for free, i'm using my telepathic powers to see that they would be really resentful of that and i don't want to hear it!"
LOL
Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:31 pm
Treefingers wrote:Unless I'm mistaken, it was their decision to release some music onto a filesharing network that got them onto Warp Records in the first place, wasn't it?
pictures, or it didn't happen.
Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:28 pm
turquoise70 wrote:i guess i'd also like to mention, i'm not just guilty of filesharing, i'm a frequent vocal proponent of it. i love internet piracy a great deal. i think it's a great human practice.
great to see stores closing down, labels and artists giving up because too many morally defunct people "borrow" the music instead of buying it
Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:44 pm
I think art should be free and accessible, just like education.
Living off art has always and will always be a battle, no matter what.
Perhaps the industry shift is and will force artists to proliferate their art and come up with more innovative ways to sell it/represent it/live off it, etc.
Living off art has always and will always be a battle, no matter what.
Perhaps the industry shift is and will force artists to proliferate their art and come up with more innovative ways to sell it/represent it/live off it, etc.
Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:59 pm
II change my mind..df 
Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:54 am
Totopatter wrote:I think art should be free and accessible, just like education.
Living off art has always and will always be a battle, no matter what.
Perhaps the industry shift is and will force artists to proliferate their art and come up with more innovative ways to sell it/represent it/live off it, etc.
Do you mean by "free and accessible" that art should be subsidized by the government? Forced public economic support (i.e., taxation) makes education available to all of us (in most Western nations, at least), for otherwise teachers would have no means to support themselves. Realistically speaking, for someone to be a professional artist, they must be financially compensated for their efforts, which, to return to your analogy, is precisely what goes on in the public education system (though this is still done quite poorly, in my view).
Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:18 am
Shadowshocker wrote:II change my mind..df
oh no.. I liked your post a great deal.. and it made total sense..
Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:21 am
apriorion wrote:Do you mean by "free and accessible" that art should be subsidized by the government? Forced public economic support (i.e., taxation) makes education available to all of us (in most Western nations, at least), for otherwise teachers would have no means to support themselves. Realistically speaking, for someone to be a professional artist, they must be financially compensated for their efforts, which, to return to your analogy, is precisely what goes on in the public education system (though this is still done quite poorly, in my view).
Precisely what i meant, since the arts, literature, music, festivals, museums, fashion shows, etc etc are all connected, intertwined and bear reciprocal relations in some shape or form. Arts, just like education, play a major, if not vital part in mankind's existence, development, welfare and well-being. Not surprising that the government allocates funds to support the arts and in return, renders it accessible to all (through non profit events, convergence, corporate donations, etc).. not surprising either that arts patrons such as Lloyd E. Rigler (a great man) donated part of his life and fortune to the creation or a station that would broadcast classic arts 24/7 (" in hopes of enticing viewers to attend and support museums and live performances in their own community").
One sphere has to support the other in order to make society livable for all (corporations donating money to animal shelters and 3rd world countries for tax cuts, government and funding schools, hospitals, the arts, the military, with neither clear end in sight nor sure return on investment). Alas, it all comes down to money, and if it weren't for greed, the world would be a better place. Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed.