Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:41 am
SonicDimension wrote:The reason this is such a big thing these days is because the last ten years have witnessed many significant events that have diminished peoples' hope that the 21st century will be better than the 20th-- 9/11, 'wars on terror,' climate change, destruction of the biosphere, the increasingly alienating technoculture, the energy crisis, a worldwide economic slump, etc., etc. It's not because we are fixated on a literal 'apocalypse.' Christ, some people are fucking dense.
Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:36 am
Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:46 am
SonicDimension wrote:Twoism-ist wrote:This is the information age; the entire world is connected to the internet. News and events worldwide are at our fingertips faster than people not even a few generations ago would ever imagine. It may seem like earthquakes and revolutions are erupting all at once, but really, how many earthquakes were reported in say, the 18th century? Keep in mind the population at the time compared to today. The means of communicating, compared to today. More people + lightning fast global communications = more reporting. welcome to the future, where we know everything that is happening everywhere.
The problems we are facing in the 21st century are of an entirely different magnitude than what we have seen previously. I am not talking about earthquakes or 'revolutions.' I'm talking about industrial civilization going completely to shit. The number of factors involved are too numerous to name. Shortages of food and fossil fuels alone would be enough to send us back to the 18th century. Too bad we also have to deal with an insane financial system and mountains of debt, the loss of species that are crucial to balanced ecosystems, rapid climate change, topsoil depletion, ... It may sound like I'm exaggerating here, but unfortunately I'm not. Every civilization collapses eventually, and it looks like this one is on its way out. Good fucking riddance, I say. We would miss listening to BoC for awhile after the electricity stops working, but overall I think our lives would be less empty and aimless.
Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:13 am
SonicDimension wrote:Twoism-ist wrote:This is the information age; the entire world is connected to the internet. News and events worldwide are at our fingertips faster than people not even a few generations ago would ever imagine. It may seem like earthquakes and revolutions are erupting all at once, but really, how many earthquakes were reported in say, the 18th century? Keep in mind the population at the time compared to today. The means of communicating, compared to today. More people + lightning fast global communications = more reporting. welcome to the future, where we know everything that is happening everywhere.
The problems we are facing in the 21st century are of an entirely different magnitude than what we have seen previously. I am not talking about earthquakes or 'revolutions.' I'm talking about industrial civilization going completely to shit. The number of factors involved are too numerous to name. Shortages of food and fossil fuels alone would be enough to send us back to the 18th century. Too bad we also have to deal with an insane financial system and mountains of debt, the loss of species that are crucial to balanced ecosystems, rapid climate change, topsoil depletion, ... It may sound like I'm exaggerating here, but unfortunately I'm not. Every civilization collapses eventually, and it looks like this one is on its way out. Good fucking riddance, I say. We would miss listening to BoC for awhile after the electricity stops working, but overall I think our lives would be less empty and aimless.
Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:25 am
Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:22 pm
of the fearmongering media.SonicDimension wrote:
The reason this is such a big thing these days is because
Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:07 pm
Vexille wrote:of the fearmongering media.SonicDimension wrote:
The reason this is such a big thing these days is because
there.
There's been bad crap going on for the entire existance of human civilization. It hasn't stopped us from advancing.
Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:16 pm
Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:58 pm
dono wrote:Lets just patiently, wait for the album
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:46 pm
PadraïK wrote:dono wrote:Lets just patiently, wait for the album
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:54 pm
Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:18 pm
Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:09 pm
Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:09 pm
SonicDimension wrote:I mean, we have so little information to base speculations on.... why not use our imaginations to guess what direction they might be heading in?
Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:20 pm
Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:28 pm
Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:39 pm
bleak. wrote:SonicDimension wrote:Twoism-ist wrote:This is the information age; the entire world is connected to the internet. News and events worldwide are at our fingertips faster than people not even a few generations ago would ever imagine. It may seem like earthquakes and revolutions are erupting all at once, but really, how many earthquakes were reported in say, the 18th century? Keep in mind the population at the time compared to today. The means of communicating, compared to today. More people + lightning fast global communications = more reporting. welcome to the future, where we know everything that is happening everywhere.
The problems we are facing in the 21st century are of an entirely different magnitude than what we have seen previously. I am not talking about earthquakes or 'revolutions.' I'm talking about industrial civilization going completely to shit. The number of factors involved are too numerous to name. Shortages of food and fossil fuels alone would be enough to send us back to the 18th century. Too bad we also have to deal with an insane financial system and mountains of debt, the loss of species that are crucial to balanced ecosystems, rapid climate change, topsoil depletion, ... It may sound like I'm exaggerating here, but unfortunately I'm not. Every civilization collapses eventually, and it looks like this one is on its way out. Good fucking riddance, I say. We would miss listening to BoC for awhile after the electricity stops working, but overall I think our lives would be less empty and aimless.
you know, have you ever thought about switching off the media? to step outdoors into the real world? you know, we can live substantially off of our own land. anyone has the power to remove themselves from this 'reality' and to live freely (to an extent). no one needs to carry this excess weight. it is not real.
1. Quit Your Job
2. Sell Everything that Isn't Important
3. Learn How To Grow Food
Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:05 am
SonicDimension wrote:GrangalanJr wrote:I'd personally be quite surprised to see BoC playing off of the apocalyptic fervor of the moment. I suspect (and certainly hope) they'll be going off in a different direction than that with the new album.turquoise70 wrote:And if they did for some reason release an album that was thematically mirroring back the way a lot of zany-ass people are thinking about things right now, I'd be less interested in hearing it. I don't care what people think about 2012 or the apocalypse and I'd prefer not to be reminded about them in what would otherwise be awesome, ear-liberating music.
Wow, some people need to pull their heads out of their asses and take a look around. The interest in apocalyptic events and such is not a random fad that a small number of 'zany-ass' superstitious people started because they heard some weird fact about the Mayan calendar.
The reason this is such a big thing these days is because the last ten years have witnessed many significant events that have diminished peoples' hope that the 21st century will be better than the 20th-- 9/11, 'wars on terror,' climate change, destruction of the biosphere, the increasingly alienating technoculture, the energy crisis, a worldwide economic slump, etc., etc. It's not because we are fixated on a literal 'apocalypse.' Christ, some people are fucking dense.
I suppose if you're an ignorant bourgeois, you might be in a position to make art that is not affected by the growing awareness of our bleak future (and present), but I think that BoC are very aware of world events and it would not be possible for them to make music that is free from all emotional connection to that. When we speculate that there might be an 'apocalyptic' theme on future release, we are talking about it in the sense of dystopian/apocalyptic 70's sci-fi movies-- narratives which depict a culture of paranoia, uncertainty, and general malaise. Try to imagine how you might translate those kinds of ideas and moods into sound. I think BoC already has many of those elements in their tracks, but I wouldn't necessarily say that any of their albums, with the possible exception of Geogaddi, focused on those kinds of dark themes. I think it would be cool if they made such an album, though.
Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:32 am
SonicDimension wrote:Wow, some people need to pull their heads out of their asses and take a look around.
Christ, some people are fucking dense.
Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:36 am