Redmoon NDA

[THE BOB]

You mean this one?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/sou ... 037284.stm

yes, thank you for sating my curiosity there. and I promise that's all it is. not trying to wind anyone up ten years too late.

i remember there being two schools of thought about the code. some thought there were three coordinates forming a triangle with the apex near whitekirk, which contains another triangle in the wood linked by the paths east of binningwood which I found so compelling (accidentally left the three points plotted on my first google map link above, but also stuck it in my sig below for easy access). others seemed to be looking at two other places, earlyburn being one. just to be a completist nerd, here are the two areas I was interested in on one map.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.7292 ... 1111?hl=en

while I'm summing it up, here is the interview which is the other half of what re-ignited my curiosity in the area. there's a great view of the bass rock taken on a nice clear day on street view now.

http://bocpages.org/wiki/Protect_and_Su ... terview%29

hope this ins't too intrusive to anyone up there, but then again the interview has been up since Campfire. just thought it was an interesting coincidence of time and space between that and whatever happened the next summer.

[Mikey]

I've never read that Xerox post before and I don't intend to throw more wood in to the shitty fire but I remember years ago a friend in Edinburgh telling me about a "Redmoon Party" at Yellowcraigs which is near Whitekirk. Is that another party people are aware of? I have been to parties at Yellowcraigs but they haven't been associated with BOC. I will ask my mate for more details.

[Mikey]

Sorry to disappoint but it would appear he was referring to that same post. He also used to be an active forum member.

[greenbankest]

Hello all, I am back in here to give what I believe is a much more definitive red moon tale, the wiki is all full of total shite and misses out the important bits, and none of you believed xerox and I do, here is why:
On the day no-one knew where it was except those especially invited. The internet tried and failed with ridiculous systems to derive outlandish locations, people came from England, people came from Canada, none of them went to the right spot and no-one has posted about it properly except probably xerox. It was completely unsolved in the net-world until the day after. All the 'solutions' relied on incredibly sketchy assumptions and were basically nonsense.

The day AFTER the event I solved it: http://forum.watmm.com/topic/9513-hey-look/ It's not complicated, it's not encrypted, it's just Lat/long obfuscated with padding, and yes it's irritating as shit that I only realised the next day while half looking at it with a hangover. (I went with a bunch of folks to a rave within the city limits that night in Edinburgh, but with the hope someone would solve it so we could head out to wherever the actual BOC action was taking place, of course that never happened). Why do I think my solution is correct? 1) it's backwards like the text. 2) It's more or less straightforward Lat/long 3) It doesn't rely on anything else.

xerox is the ONLY user who posted anything about a location which was very close to those co-ordinates.

The only potential issue in believing xerox is that he/she posted slightly AFTER i did (2hrs if timestamps are correct) but I don't believe that they would have read the watmm post and incorporated that into their tale and the details sound right for the area, I've been to parties in the vicinity before and since, Binning wood and the beach by the cabin on the john muir way are both occasional rave spots, I think the actual BOC party happened on the beach just north of the cabin bit, Ravensheugh Sands. The user also posted BEFORE they went with what seems like totally plausible information too, this also counts as evidence against them making it fit the facts after it had been solved.

So TLDR - I believe that xerox was there and that it happened much as described in this single post:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=637&p=14967#p14967

and that's all we have, all the rest is speculative, incorrect or trolling.

[Techboy]

greenbank as in benbecula records? i like your tunes. good post.

[Stickyfingers72]

greenbank as in benbecula records? i like your tunes. good post.

"Rotating The Square", that's a super release. Love the track "My Computer"

[chronical]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/48021629@ ... 163363007/

here's some photos from another thread.

[warphead]

Even if some of the stories about this incident are fiction, I still love reading about it. I can assure you if I was as heavily into BOC as I am now, at the time I would of packed up a sleeping bag and headed off north from the Home Counties. Would of been cool.

[rainbow]

Thanks to whoever linked Xerox's post. If it helps at all his/her experience coincides with mine, make of that what you will.

Also FYI, it was obviously for the fans as there was a whole bunch of us who had never met before.

[dj_todos]

It's been a very......very long time since I posted here. I can't believe it was 10 years ago. Can't believe it's still being talked about. Great.

[THE BOB]

I do want to believe xerox' story. It's just a little weird to have this tacked-on "I was there too and saw people taking pics that never surfaced" story, and then still only have lots of evidence of the gathering at earlyburn observatory. I can believe them discouraging any photography at this other event, but you would think one picture would have made it out. We still don't know anything else about a supposed Non Disclosure Agreement, but it seems plausible that people would have been discouraged from talking about it. This is the band that somehow managed only to give their early releases to just the right people who still haven't leaked any of it outside the old tunes comps.

My best hope was that this thread would bring some of the old ones back out to talk about either event or at least the search for it. Glad to see them back.

[Negamuse]

Well I dunno. We're talking a few years before people were obsessively sharing every little thing. If I'd have gone to a happening like Xerox described I can tell you now I'd have taken max one or two pictures but more than likely just lived the moment you know?

[Techboy]

his/her experience coincides with mine, make of that what you will.

apart from the bit where red point is 300 mile away from north berwick?

i know what i make of it.

i was a noob round these parts ten years ago, what with the whole being 14 years old thing, but with the benefit of hindsight i think what they done was maybe a bit irresponsible. if i were to give them the benefit of the doubt i'd say naive. there were people scrambling to spend 4 figures on plane tickets to come over, all for some shit that probably didnt happen.

[greenbankest]

People are thinking about this like 2016 BoC superfans not 2006 semi-fans/friends/associates, remember no-one openly solved it so probably the only people there were friends/associates/warp-pals north of the border etc. no super fans with cameras, just a few buddies. Camera phones were shit, posting crap on the internet was done less and why bother when it was just a wee random beach party with a couple of vaguely-famous folks and you're blissfully unaware of the potential level of peoples interest in your pics in the far future. Half them probably lost the photies and half them are too busy with life, kids, work and just don't care and don't know that you do.

I have never heard of an NDA mentioned in all the chat about the event until this thread. rainbow is trolling or being a pointlessly cagey tease to fuck with y'all for some tragic reason but this is as good a place as any to attempt to find anyone who actually does have a better tale to tell or indeed photos.

Did anyone ever solve the other part of the message? There was a string of characters that never got solved afaik. Something to say what time it was? The date and location were solved so that doesn't leave much else.

I don't have much more to contribute other than that I've been to roughly where I think it was before and it's very different to how it looks from the air so I guess I can call bullshit on people trying to pick a bit and describe it from google earth...? not even that helpful!

BTW the weird spaces in the wood (binning wood) and the lines are all just shit muddy logging tracks and clearings (each with a couple of smaller trees in the middle) for moving logs around in, nothing exciting and a lot more hard to get about in than google earth would suggest, I know of at least a couple of raves that happened here way back, I was at one of them. nothing BoC about 'em tho - 1 system per clearing, gabba, jungle, d'n'b, hard-tek.
xerox caters for the difference between the co-ords and the site mentioned in his post and it seems the most sensible as you can park legally and safely down by the beach on tarmac rather than avoiding ditches and muddy puddles by the wood and you can't have fires in the wood safely.
Still don't know if that post was amazing trolling or not but I can't see a single dodgy detail in xerox's tale and I still believe it's the only actual account.
I'll see if I can find a gps tagged photo from the spot I think it was or anywhere close, it's fairly popular with walkers and there's a cabin you can hire nearby too.

[Opothecary]

i was a noob round these parts ten years ago, what with the whole being 14 years old thing, but with the benefit of hindsight i think what they done was maybe a bit irresponsible. if i were to give them the benefit of the doubt i'd say naive. there were people scrambling to spend 4 figures on plane tickets to come over, all for some shit that probably didnt happen.

I guess it was a little naive on their part, I guess it's where some of their charm comes from. Personally I thought they always treated it as their (temporary) goodbye to Edinburgh, shortly after I guess they moved away and started travelling. Maybe it was something for friends and whoever managed to figure it out, the latter not such a big deal if you're somewhere in the vicinity and not halfway around the world.

This all happened shortly before I got married so I was never in a position to go with it not being a sure thing in terms of location or its exact purpose. It was a cool idea, but ultimately I'm glad it didn't happen for me. I would love to see BoC live at a proper gig somewhere around their stomping grounds but I wouldn't want to meet them. I wouldn't know what to say and if the shoe was on the other foot and I was the creator and they were the listener, I wouldn't know what to say then either.

My dream Red Moon party would have involved being handed a stack of tapes, old unreleased material, plus a blank one to record the live gig that they would play that night. It's all about the music to me and spending time with other fans.

[THE BOB]

I guess I can call bullshit on people trying to pick a bit and describe it from google earth...? not even that helpful!.

Those were from the exact same coordinates you said you posted years ago and then linked to again in this thread..

And how is this any less helpful or more "bullshit" than you chiming in with even more long winded "help" which really amounts to nothing more than your stated belief in someone's story which you didn't even take part in?

I love how posting info and asking questions is all it takes to set some people off who then respond with a short novel's worth of absolutely nothing new before pointing the finger back at me for unhelpful bullshit. One fuck of a hall of mirrors you got going there. Makes it even less surprising that so many people who actually did more than talk shit would leave this place and not come back.

[Opothecary]

The discussion of a made up NDA is always a tense time.

[celadon]

It's been a very......very long time since I posted here. I can't believe it was 10 years ago. Can't believe it's still being talked about. Great.

Mental it's ten years!!! Those pics from Flickr bring me back - the fire, the sunrise, the mix tapes, the haggis. Not been here for a while as well. Hope you are doin well D.

[chronical]

This thread is resurrecting a few old Twoism members I love it. Hope you've all been well!

[Mexicola]

Lincolnshire Poacher will be back next...