Your controversial BoC opinions.

[polar sky]

I think as we older guys get older, the younger fans that hear early BoC don't really feel/understand that nostalgic 70s/80s/Early 90s sound. We grew up with that. So when you hear a certain sound, it puts you back in time. You remember being a kid, watching those old TV Shows, hearing those old synth melodies. I wouldn't expect my 18 year old nephew to feel the same way I do when listening to Whitewater, 5-9-78 or Fly In The Pool.

I can go watch a video about the 1960s Psychedelic movement, but I won't truly know what it was like growing up in the 60s. But when my aunt listens to early Pink Floyd, it puts her back in a van taking a hit of LSD while on top of some guy named Flower Moses.

[re-phaelam-ed]

I think as we older guys get older, the younger fans that hear early BoC don't really feel/understand that nostalgic 70s/80s/Early 90s sound. We grew up with that. So when you hear a certain sound, it puts you back in time. You remember being a kid, watching those old TV Shows, hearing those old synth melodies. I wouldn't expect my 18 year old nephew to feel the same way I do when listening to Whitewater, 5-9-78 or Fly In The Pool.

I can go watch a video about the 1960s Psychedelic movement, but I won't truly know what it was like growing up in the 60s. But when my aunt listens to early Pink Floyd, it puts her back in a van taking a hit of LSD while on top of some guy named Flower Moses.

agreed

[plasselb]

I think as we older guys get older, the younger fans that hear early BoC don't really feel/understand that nostalgic 70s/80s/Early 90s sound. We grew up with that. So when you hear a certain sound, it puts you back in time. You remember being a kid, watching those old TV Shows, hearing those old synth melodies. I wouldn't expect my 18 year old nephew to feel the same way I do when listening to Whitewater, 5-9-78 or Fly In The Pool.

I can go watch a video about the 1960s Psychedelic movement, but I won't truly know what it was like growing up in the 60s. But when my aunt listens to early Pink Floyd, it puts her back in a van taking a hit of LSD while on top of some guy named Flower Moses.

agreed

17 y/o BoC fan here, and Whitewater and 5.9.78 are two of my all time favorite tracks of theirs. I still have the nostalgia of the old box TVs with VHS that they'd wheel in every once in a while and play a 70s video about rainforests or whatever. I also have hazy memories of staying home sick and watching PBS all day, because my mom wanted me to still learn even when I was sick, and watch the same type of videos. But even if I didn't have those memories, I still think there's something about those tracks that can invoke nostalgia in anyone.

[lewwatt]

I think as we older guys get older, the younger fans that hear early BoC don't really feel/understand that nostalgic 70s/80s/Early 90s sound. We grew up with that. So when you hear a certain sound, it puts you back in time. You remember being a kid, watching those old TV Shows, hearing those old synth melodies. I wouldn't expect my 18 year old nephew to feel the same way I do when listening to Whitewater, 5-9-78 or Fly In The Pool.

I can go watch a video about the 1960s Psychedelic movement, but I won't truly know what it was like growing up in the 60s. But when my aunt listens to early Pink Floyd, it puts her back in a van taking a hit of LSD while on top of some guy named Flower Moses.

agreed

17 y/o BoC fan here, and Whitewater and 5.9.78 are two of my all time favorite tracks of theirs. I still have the nostalgia of the old box TVs with VHS that they'd wheel in every once in a while and play a 70s video about rainforests or whatever. I also have hazy memories of staying home sick and watching PBS all day, because my mom wanted me to still learn even when I was sick, and watch the same type of videos. But even if I didn't have those memories, I still think there's something about those tracks that can invoke nostalgia in anyone.

Another 17 year old here.

I think Polar Sky has a point that many of the sounds, artifacts and melodies of the 70s which BoC draws so much from, is something we just didn't live with. But I don't believe that it lessens the impact of their music on people of our age or our cultural identification with those things. We are very much in reach of that time, like you say PlasselB; tapes were in common use not so long ago. I remember the distinct sound of music and recorded radio being played back on tape, or watching Pokemon on VHS time and time again - rewinding it back to the start and such. Sesame Street is so well known that it was aired even in my time, most people my age do know of Big Bird and all that. Analog television wasn't replaced here till two years ago or so, noise, artifacts and all the things that come with broadcasting in that way are in very recent memory. The melodies of the 70s, the tell-tale 'hooks' seen in commercials and broadcasts may not exist as they did then but regardless they are imprinted on our society so deeply that even I, born twenty years after, find them natural and identifiable. As Boards of Canada says:

"The spaces in between the music you're supposed to listen to. That's where our interest lies. These melodies might only last a second at the end of a TV programme but they are quietly more important to the public psyche than most pop music."

Those spaces in between the music are still around even if they are different, they are still derived from the sounds of the 70s. People being born now in a completely digital world who discover BoC in the future, I hope as a staple (classic) band, may not be able to relate to the music as well as we do but I think they will understand that. It's a natural process with music where things start to sound outdated and the themes are not so relevant. Regardless of that, the rhythm, melody and concept of BoC will outlive any of these cultural references, analog fetishism and nostalgic throwbacks, the music itself will stand the test of time imo.

[d e n]

but what constitutes a release is a good point. If I had a talented friend and they gave me a tape (or CD, or thumb drive, or weblink in 2014) of the quality of the music found on R35TT, I would cherish it and appreciate it (and not share it, if that was the creators wishes). Just because say, only 50 or 100 people get to hear it doesn't mean it loses any validity or is any less real.

yes.. this is partly where I am coming from i saying that I think its right to delete all copies of the unreleased material.

honestly, I got rid of old tunes and bocmaxima after reading You Are Not A Gadget by Jaron Lanier, which was recommended by Boards of Canada in either the Guardian or NY Times Tomorrow's Harvest interview. I don't know if I can properly articulate the other aspects of why... I will patiently await the band's release of the old music

[Dudeman162]

I think as we older guys get older, the younger fans that hear early BoC don't really feel/understand that nostalgic 70s/80s/Early 90s sound. We grew up with that. So when you hear a certain sound, it puts you back in time.

As a millennial kid who prefers the the current generation, I can understand completely why people like them, but I like their music in a different way.

[Najlepsiejszy]

I'm 17 and all the sounds (even though they are especially reminiscent of the 70s tv shows etc), they still manage to evoke nostalgia in me

The Brothers make universal music which breaks generation barriers

[fujee]

I know they've said it themselves, but they are heavily in Kevin Shields debt.

[FernieCanto]

In this nostalgia aspect, I definitely think that the effect it causes now will not exist anymore in the future. But instead of vanishing, it will turn into something else, and perhaps even more powerful. These 70's and 80's artifacts one day will cause the same puzzlement and estrangement as we feel towards 30's buzzy 78 RPM records, and people may get curious about that stuff. Fortunately, the wealth of material available on the Internet will allow people to have a closer contact with that source. It would probably be interesting. Maybe the immediate appeal of the music will get smaller, though.

[fujee]

In my opinion nostalgia as personal phenomena is a largely self projected sensation. Whilst first hand memories and experiences clearly lead to a more emotionally engaging experience, the nostalgia many people feel is likely a vision and engagement with something partially removed from the content used to induce the feelings. Memories are fickle things which tend to warp and meld with stimuli which isn't necessarily from the individuals own experience, which is why I think the appeal and artistic vision of BoC won't be lost on future generations.

[Jonse]

Most contentious post in this thread.

Have you not seen his other posts?

To be fair, he is posting his controversial opinions, which is what the thread was about.

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[zeoevil]

Most contentious post in this thread.

Have you not seen his other posts?

Hey, guys! What's going on in this thread?

For the record, I had to take a long road trip last weekend and I listened to Geogaddi the whole way there and back just for twoism. I'm not sure how I missed Julie and Candy and Corsair in my previous post, but I love those songs as well. So Geogaddi has officially moved up in my totally subjective and not at all scientific personal opinion from meh to good. Still not as good as their other official albums, but certainly not meh.

[d e n]

^
this shows how absurd it is to talk about the music in this categorical kind of way

man! the record was 'meh' then and now its good? so that means it can be 'meh' again in the future...

missed Julie & Candy???

this is not personal at all, I just go mad with this stuff, there is so much less focus on the music and more on interpreting and wondering where it fits on a list or how much we like it. it is very easy to fall into this tendency and it takes discipline to let go of all the peripheral stuff and actually take the time and space to listen

not to mention this is ALLL so based on the subjective magical experiences one has had with this music (hence feeling compelled to post on this forum) and thus, all it sounds like to me is that one album is placed higher on the frequent lists that constitute twoism.org because that one particular record has more magical experiences attached to it for the listen than the others and that ill-foundedly translates into it being better record

like chickens running around with the heads cut off !!

[anecdote]

probably not an opinion but a thought - every album boc has made is a soundtrack to a film they have made but the films are only available to hexsun/music70 members. i mean think about it, most of the screenshots of their live shows seem like they have movies or something playing in the background and those are probably the movies they made themselves to go along with the sounds. i wouldn't be surprised if the albums are actually soundtracks to secret movies.

[northernlite]

probably not an opinion but a thought - every album boc has made is a soundtrack to a film they have made but the films are only available to hexsun/music70 members. i mean think about it, most of the screenshots of their live shows seem like they have movies or something playing in the background and those are probably the movies they made themselves to go along with the sounds. i wouldn't be surprised if the albums are actually soundtracks to secret movies.

i like this idea

[The Telepathic Kid]

As I become older, the only BoC album which still seems to resonate with me is Geogaddi.

I could give or take the rest, (though most of MHTRTC is pretty good)

[ParticleGhost]

probably not an opinion but a thought - every album boc has made is a soundtrack to a film they have made but the films are only available to hexsun/music70 members. i mean think about it, most of the screenshots of their live shows seem like they have movies or something playing in the background and those are probably the movies they made themselves to go along with the sounds. i wouldn't be surprised if the albums are actually soundtracks to secret movies.

Holy shit

[Fireal420]

probably not an opinion but a thought - every album boc has made is a soundtrack to a film they have made but the films are only available to hexsun/music70 members. i mean think about it, most of the screenshots of their live shows seem like they have movies or something playing in the background and those are probably the movies they made themselves to go along with the sounds. i wouldn't be surprised if the albums are actually soundtracks to secret movies.

i like this idea

i believe BOC's music is made so that the movie can play in your own head. not on a screen.


each person has their own unique view on the sounds and music that is produced, its more important for the listener to create their own landscape to the music.


i personally can feel some of their music. if im listening to a track like ataronchronon or under the coke sign, i can actually feel the music. its like a memory is playing out and your there again.

[lewwatt]

Memories are fickle things which tend to warp and meld with stimuli which isn't necessarily from the individuals own experience, which is why I think the appeal and artistic vision of BoC won't be lost on future generations.

Agreed. It's like a planted memory, or a very strong idea of a memory which is pretty much the same thing.

Have you not seen his other posts?

To be fair, he is posting his controversial opinions, which is what the thread was about.

I'm fairly new to these forums so I haven't seen that many other posts and I don't really know anyone around here yet. And yeah, that's what I meant by saying it was contentious - I think it was the most controversial opinion posted so far, at least for me anyway.

[chronical]

Secret movie for every album? No way in hell that happened - have you ever worked on a film? It takes more than just a camera and a few people.
Maybe they did make one for Tomorrow's Harvest, that's why it took so darn long.