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donq wrote:...it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
donq wrote:
overlaying the high res against the 200x200 jpeg album art that's been around forever, I noticed something odd- the ".97" on the camcorder/vcr timestamp seems to have been doctored out on the album art in every individual photo that features it. Whether this should be interpreted as another reason to be skeptical of the album's existence I'm not entirely sure of yet, it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
Cupz wrote:donq wrote:...it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
Grade A detective work donq!
This makes me want to invent non-existent albums to put on my resume!
Opothecary wrote:Cupz wrote:donq wrote:...it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
Grade A detective work donq!
This makes me want to invent non-existent albums to put on my resume!
The newfound skepticism about this release is pretty amusing to me. They've got a big 80 minute pile of music that no one seems to know anything about, doesn't it make sense that a bunch of it is from this album?
donq wrote:http://puu.sh/b5Vm8/a4fac521c0.gif
overlaying the high res against the 200x200 jpeg album art that's been around forever, I noticed something odd- the ".97" on the camcorder/vcr timestamp seems to have been doctored out on the album art in every individual photo that features it. Whether this should be interpreted as another reason to be skeptical of the album's existence I'm not entirely sure of yet, it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
Opothecary wrote:The newfound skepticism about this release is pretty amusing to me. They've got a big 80 minute pile of music that no one seems to know anything about, doesn't it make sense that a bunch of it is from this album?
zeoevil wrote:Maybe someone should ask Peter about this artwork and its connection to the band. He has been amicable in the past. There is no reason to believe he won't be this time.
HighScore wrote:zeoevil wrote:Maybe someone should ask Peter about this artwork and its connection to the band. He has been amicable in the past. There is no reason to believe he won't be this time.
I think you're confusing PIC (Peter Iain Campbell) with MDG (Mark David Garett) who are both photographers and members of the Hexagon Sun collective, MDG being the only one who has had amicable contact with the fans debunking various fake releases.
Mexicola wrote:HighScore wrote:zeoevil wrote:Maybe someone should ask Peter about this artwork and its connection to the band. He has been amicable in the past. There is no reason to believe he won't be this time.
I think you're confusing PIC (Peter Iain Campbell) with MDG (Mark David Garett) who are both photographers and members of the Hexagon Sun collective, MDG being the only one who has had amicable contact with the fans debunking various fake releases.
PIC does occasionally comment too, although only rarely and to the best of my recollection, without really giving much away. No harm asking though.
Opothecary wrote:Rodheh wrote:Hold on - Closes was pressed to CD?
This is new information to me that I have not seen anywhere. I have known for a long time that BoC Maxima was purported to have been pressed to CD, but not with any other unreleased back catalog record/EP.
Are those the only two, or are there any more?
Just those two (and Play By Numbers)
https://web.archive.org/web/20010609171 ... alog3.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010609171 ... oses1.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010609171 ... _play.html
that feels very much like reaching. The fact remains undeniable that the photoset is from a PIC project about kosovan refugees in the red road flats, and so these are 1999 photos of a 1997 home video. The video cannot have been viewed, and therefore this artwork cannot have been assigned, earlier than '99. Its ez. I'm pissed on cheap Thai booze so don't listen to me by all means but it seems obvious to me.Opothecary wrote:donq wrote:overlaying the high res against the 200x200 jpeg album art that's been around forever, I noticed something odd- the ".97" on the camcorder/vcr timestamp seems to have been doctored out on the album art in every individual photo that features it. Whether this should be interpreted as another reason to be skeptical of the album's existence I'm not entirely sure of yet, it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
Good find, but maybe they didn't want to tie their album artwork to a specific date and time, since a large part of their mission statement has been to create music that is "timeless" if that makes sense - even if they don't say that themselves, it's fair to say that they want their work to mean something personal to everyone who listens to it, and the less concrete specifics known about the music or artwork, the better. I'd think they'd try to remove references to specific years in that case, for sure.
I've always felt that these very small private represses of Catalog 3/Closes Vol. 1 were to commemorate being signed to Warp. Knowing that these photos are from the second half of 1997 really ties into that idea.
Let's try to fill in the blanks (as people tend to do when all the facts aren't known) but I'm sure that they had quite a Redmoon party with their friends and family in late summer or fall of 1997 once the deal was done, or at least imminent, you know? I feel like that's a pretty good guess as to why these exist. It would not surprise me at all if Catalog 3, Acid Memories and Closes Vol. 1 all had very rudimentary OT style artwork in their original cassette incarnations.
donq wrote:
overlaying the high res against the 200x200 jpeg album art that's been around forever, I noticed something odd- the ".97" on the camcorder/vcr timestamp seems to have been doctored out on the album art in every individual photo that features it. Whether this should be interpreted as another reason to be skeptical of the album's existence I'm not entirely sure of yet, it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
re-phaelam-ed wrote:donq wrote:
overlaying the high res against the 200x200 jpeg album art that's been around forever, I noticed something odd- the ".97" on the camcorder/vcr timestamp seems to have been doctored out on the album art in every individual photo that features it. Whether this should be interpreted as another reason to be skeptical of the album's existence I'm not entirely sure of yet, it just seems like a strange extent of "covering their tracks" for an album that was given to people who would know it was first released in 1992 regardless.
doctored?.....
this is what happens when you shrink an image, then scale it back up to overlay on the source image you found.
mechanismj wrote:Yeah, the 97s are definitely missing. Everything else is just quality loss.
re-phaelam-ed wrote:perhaps the image was posted again WITH the 97 added to throw you off the scent.
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