Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:31 pm
Mexicola wrote:Something I just noticed.'Made in England'??
Why England? Scotland surely..
Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:59 pm
Something I just noticed.'Made in England'??
The "Made in England" bit has always been there but is cut off in the most common version of the jacket art that's floating around.
Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:18 pm
Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:30 pm
Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:30 pm
Joyrex wrote:AFAIK, BOC Maxima does not exist on CD(r)... despite claims to the contrary.
The image on the old BOC EHX site was the photo from the cassette release stretched and text added, as was the case for Hooper Bay, another cassette release (the stretching of the cassette image to accommodate a square format for the discography display.
For what it's worth, the tapes are legit - his Maxima cassette mostly matches both mine and Mike P (aka µ-Ziq) own, as does the AFOT. Note the hand-drawn copyright (c) on this version versus others that had it typed as (c) versus the actual symbol ©.
Came by to comment on this to clarify where possible the legitimacy (and lack of) some of these releases.
Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:39 pm
Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:40 pm
Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:24 pm
Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:04 pm
Opothecary wrote:You made a good point on WATMM about how some of those releases probably don't exist in the format that they were presented as.
I do think Hooper Bay is real though - the cassette sized artwork dimensions, Noatak (likely) played live, Circle being a more evolved House of Abin'adab, etc. R35TT is basically a curated collection of all that other music predating Hooper Bay.
The biggest thing people have a hard time getting their heads around why none of it has leaked is that everything predating Twoism is a closed loop; those were friends and family releases - if there are 10-20 people who have everything up through Hooper Bay, and 40 people have Maxima/OT, it's not that many more people, but it's no longer a closed loop since in 1996 they were reaching out for a record deal and these were basically demo tapes.
Those theoretical 20 extra people made all the difference because they didn't have the same sense of loyalty to the creators of the music.
Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:57 pm
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:25 am
Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:00 pm
Opothecary wrote:I always thought that they started using the name in 1994 which would cover Play By Numbers and Hooper Bay - the story is a little more interesting for Catalog 3/Acid Memories/Closes Vol. 1. In the case of Catalog 3/Closes Vol. 1, the old discography claimed that they had been reissued on CD in 1997.
If they did press these to CD-Rs for friends in 1997, it explains the name on the artwork for Closes Vol. 1 as the known artwork didn't actually exist until 1997. See this thread for more information viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12206&p=238426 about how PIC's originals photos that were used were datestamped 1997 but blurred on the "album cover"
I think I remember reading that story on Reddit and based on the author, he seemed to know them when they were something like 14-15 years old so I'm sure that was long before they had even begun making music that we would think of in the vein of BoC. The only time it seems like they flirted with a full band format in the 90s was Play By Numbers, The type of music he describes also lines up with the sort of stuff they had discussed in past interviews regarding the type of music they were into back then. I'm sure someone somewhere has that tape but we'll never get to hear it!
Something like a Soundcloud dump would probably be the best way to go for that stuff, but I'd certainly pay for it. I hope they launch a Bleepstore for BoC when the new release comes out this fall. I'd also happily pay for physical releases of some of it assuming the rights can be cleared...it would be nice just to have the song titles for the R35TT tracks.
I definitely get the idea of respecting their wishes and something like Soundcloud seems too...unmajestic for them. They seem to place a lot of value on presentation for their releases, but I could also see them not feeling the content is worth doing up nicely for a real release, and Soundcloud being just too impersonal.
Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:08 pm
Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:03 pm
Joyrex wrote:I wonder how many expanded that Reddit thread and noticed BOC's name before they were BOC: Wheeltower.
You'd think that would be something to note, no?
Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:15 pm
Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:43 pm
Joyrex wrote:Good points - I’d disagree about SoundCloud being too impersonal. Richard’s Dump (har har) has engendered him to his fans more than any of his enigmatic releases, especially with the images and occasional backstories accompanying the tracks.
A BOC release this fall?
I guess like Alice, I should try and believe seven impossible things before breakfast...
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:44 pm
Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:09 pm
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:15 pm
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:16 pm
There's also mention of 'Wheeltower' on watmm from years before the reddit thread.
https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54632-old ... ?p=1278507