Post-WXAXRXP Societas X Tape Tracklist & Discussion

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Omikron wrote:Not the *full* peel session, because we are still missing that other version of Happy Cycling. There's a dedicated thread for this, anyway.

To be fair, Happy Cycling (Bad Day) isn't anything to write home about. It isn't a very good version of a very good song.

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Omikron wrote:Not the *full* peel session, because we are still missing that other version of Happy Cycling. There's a dedicated thread for this, anyway.

To be fair, Happy Cycling (Bad Day) isn't anything to write home about. It isn't a very good version of a very good song.


I have spoken to someone who has heard the source audio, as I said elsewhere, they claim it brings out subtleties and makes the track potentially on par with the MHTRTC version and that the radio rip basically transformed the track somewhat. Whether that is to be 100% reliable is another thing altogether, though, and they could have just been exaggerating the difference.

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Unless they are genuinely never going to potentially even feel close to entertaining the thought of one day releasing Bad Day from source onto a Peel Sessions recording, I feel a release just with the additional XYZ is premature.

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I didn't realise I was still posting in the Societas Thread, sorry about that.
If someone wants to transfer my posts over, feel free to if it is worth the trouble for being off-topic. I don't mind either way, though.

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I took the time to purchase a record from Kim O'Leary. She featured on the One Foundation track 'Dance with us Lord' from the NTS mix. This release on Motown Records back in the late 80's sounds great. Very much the type of sound that rolls during the end credits of some U.S 80's rom com. I couldn't find a copy of it anywhere so I've uploaded it to my youtube channel.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Afbv7ymkKr0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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This is the artwork for the album that "Angel Child" by Bruce Haack appears on. It plays towards the end of the Societas X Tape. It looks like how parts of Geogaddi sound :twisted:

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XYZ Drone sounds a LOT like Fripp & Eno, Heavenly Music Corporation. A fantastic piece of music if you've never heard it.

https://archive.org/details/NoPussyfooting/01+-+The+Heavenly+Music+Corporation+1.flac

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I think this is the track that plays at 1:06:47
https://youtu.be/LnMVaPn6fLE

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boredsofcanada wrote:I think this is the track that plays at 1:06:47
https://youtu.be/LnMVaPn6fLE

https://youtu.be/wQhIhKpmwrg?t=522 it's actually the start of "Angoisse", the next track from "L'Estrange Mr Whinster" after "Frayeur"

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I am guessing that one of the only tracks we have yet to decipher an origin for is the MBV type interlude. As I said before, if it isn't Kevin Shields, it is someone who has studied and practiced it immensely. That isn't someone just slapping on reverse reverb and trying to figure out how to use the tremolo system.

Leaning towards Kevin giving them one of his recordings at the moment.

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For anyone that instantly became a fan of Christian Chevallier after the NTS mix.

This seems to be music and recorded voice that would be played in store in order to promote some sort of beauty product. It could have been given away with the product itself as it was recorded only on a flexi disc. Although the voice dominates the mix, you still hear the great talent of Chevallier and lovely fluttering moments of synth loveliness.

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This has probably been said already, but the version of the Dox Sinistra track is the exact same as the one on YouTube, both have the same high-frequency ringing (bitcrushing?). I personally prefer the YouTube version to the "high quality" one on streaming services, the ringing adds some charm to an already fantastic track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6YCUSX930

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~nick wrote:This has probably been said already, but the version of the Dox Sinistra track is the exact same as the one on YouTube, both have the same high-frequency ringing (bitcrushing?). I personally prefer the YouTube version to the "high quality" one on streaming services, the ringing adds some charm to an already fantastic track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6YCUSX930


I agree. I think some of the tape's source material came from youtube videos, bandcamp pages, etc. that they like. In fact, that track by Horrific Child that is on the tape contains a second or two of the following track on the original album, exactly like a youtube video that has been previously linked in this thread.

I suppose you could connect this idea to the tape's name, too.

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~nick wrote:This has probably been said already, but the version of the Dox Sinistra track is the exact same as the one on YouTube, both have the same high-frequency ringing (bitcrushing?). I personally prefer the YouTube version to the "high quality" one on streaming services, the ringing adds some charm to an already fantastic track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6YCUSX930

Hey Nick, I should know and I am embarrassed for not knowing, but the antennas akin to the one in your avatar, are they for picking up UHF band television?

I've seen a few of them around, usually huge considering the houses they are mounted on, they look like laundry poles.

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~nick wrote:This has probably been said already, but the version of the Dox Sinistra track is the exact same as the one on YouTube, both have the same high-frequency ringing (bitcrushing?). I personally prefer the YouTube version to the "high quality" one on streaming services, the ringing adds some charm to an already fantastic track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6YCUSX930

Hey Nick, I should know and I am embarrassed for not knowing, but the antennas akin to the one in your avatar, are they for picking up UHF band television?

I've seen a few of them around, usually huge considering the houses they are mounted on, they look like laundry poles.



Its actually the cover for the "Conet Project" I'm assuming most people here know what that is, but if you don't it is a series of number station recordings that BoC have used in the past (Gyroscope and maybe more?). But if you already knew that and are just asking what the actual antenna in the pic is used for, I have no clue lol :lol: .
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Thanks Roswell! I am aware of the Conet Project and its relation to Board's work, but I wasn't aware that was the cover image. I did mostly wish to know about the antenna generally, though.

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I think mdg said that the recording used in Gyroscope does not come from the Conet Project, but was rather recorded by Sean Booth.

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Found the thread where MDG revealed that sample's origin

https://forum.watmm.com/topic/19680-the ... gyroscope/

"the voice in 'gyroscope' comes from a genuine number station recording, but not from the conet project. the recording was made by sean booth on a shortwave radio and gifted to BOC for use in the track."


In regards to the Conet Project's cover, a description of it can be found on the Acknowledgements page (73) in the booklet:

http://irdial.hyperreal.org/www/conet_p ... ooklet.pdf

"Large antenna behind the Dorchester hotel, London." I have no clue what antenna it specifically is, though.

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I recall the discussion from a while ago, the gyroscope sample couldn't be matched to anything from the conet project but was nevertheless ascribed to it for the fact that it was a compilation of numbers stations and the like.

Anyway, thank you for the info. I really wanted to know what kind of frequency bands that antenna is intended for and whether it is for audio or audiovisual reception. If anyone with an inclination towards that kind of tech knows, I would much appreciate it.

I've seen one or two around the London area and haven't been able to find much on them which is why. I may have even seen the one in Nick's avatar at some point.

Is it just a much more comprehensive receiver for television or would the owner be a shortwave radio enthusiast or the like? I know that someone here knows haha.

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Valotonin wrote:I really wanted to know what kind of frequency bands that antenna is intended for and whether it is for audio or audiovisual reception. If anyone with an inclination towards that kind of tech knows, I would much appreciate it.

I've seen one or two around the London area and haven't been able to find much on them which is why. I may have even seen the one in Nick's avatar at some point.

Is it just a much more comprehensive receiver for television or would the owner be a shortwave radio enthusiast or the like? I know that someone here knows haha.


It's a "cobweb" dipole antenna. Dipoles are the simplest types of antenna, basically a piece of wire that's half the maximum wavelength. Wavelength is the reciprocal of frequency, multiplied by the wave speed (which for practical purposes is the speed of light for electromagnetic waves through air).

The shape of the dipole doesn't matter as much as its length, which tunes it to the frequency band in question. The cobweb setups usually have 3 or more separate dipoles (so they can support multiple bands) arranged in concentric square or U shapes. The exact frequency bands depend on the length of the dipoles, but are usually in the megahertz to low tens of MHz range, and for amateur radio, the allowed and commonly used bands are 14, 18, 21, 24 and 28 MHz - corresponding to dipole lengths of about 10m down to 5m.

Amateur operators are only allowed to broadcast on certain frequency bands, but for the number stations, obviously government and military operated, other frequencies were used. So those antennas would be probably be precisely tuned to those frequencies for maximum energy efficiency, resulting in a completely bespoke setup like the one you see on the Cornet Project cover.

The frequency bands are split up into sub-bands and sometimes sub-sub-bands and eventually channels, each +/- around a centre frequency. The bandwidth of these channels depends on the modulation and encoding used but generally they'd be less than 10kHz. You wouldn't get video at those bandwidths (remember how slow your 14.4k modem was?) So I'd guess and say the antennas you see around town are amateur radio operators broadcasting and receiving audio, morse code and encoded images.

In summary: 5-10m shortwave antennas, 28-14MHz bands, 5-10kHz channels, audio.

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