Followup topic: Comet Elenin for hexagon son

[Magrathea]

so where the fuck's this album

It will be arriving on the spaceship called comet Elenin.

Considering that comet elenin is now little more than a handful of dust after it disintegrated I predict based on this that the music is going to be made of very tiny samples LOL

nope, it didn't disintegrate. lots of amateur astronomers watching Elenin will testify to this. But lol @ your post!

Hmm, you mean you actually believe in that stuff, you're going to have a hard time with me, I'm a major skeptic AND amateur astronomer for 30+ years... Yeah I survived Iras-Araki-Alcock, Hyakutake, Hale-Bopp, Y2K, you name it we've got it!

Would you care to concisely explain your rationale in a post?

sure, but first show me proof that Elenin disintegrated.

Oh, I have the burden of proof now eh? laughs ah well, I'll indulge...

As you surely know, Comet Elenin just passed perihelion on September 11, so right now it's bathed in the solar glare and visible only to the southern hemisphere. However BEFORE perihelion the comet was already in the process of coming apart, i.e. the nucleus was becoming more and more elongated, a telltale sign of disintegration as well as losing several orders of magnitude of brightness (it was already puny to begin with, now it's really a dud)

behold this animation of 5 images taken in August



See how the nucleus just fades? Other comets have done this, 213P Van Ness actually went through that a few weeks ago.

Comets get BRIGHTER as they come to perihelion, the only comets who do NOT are those which are in the process of disintegrating (or Kreutz group comets who actually sundive)

According to: site C/2010 X1 Elenin has not survived perihelion intact and made it through but just barely, it should now be at it's brightest ever and it fails to even register photographically image

Yet there are still remnants that came out and is crossing the LASCO C3 field of SoHo but it's a ghost of it's former self video

So for all intents and purposes that comet's gone, there only remains dust and rubble that will follow that orbital path and slowly disperse over eons.

Oh, sources: here, here, here

[Cryabetes]

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[mechanismj]

On a slightly related topic, did anyone see this mammoth meteor traverse across the southern portion of the USA last night?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MFvq4kJ ... r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzL3fbTz ... r_embedded

There were random reports of something similar being seen in Europe and Japan almost within the same time frame allegedly.

[Lens Larque]

[hexagon son]

Thanks Mag for your cOnjecture. I will do some more research. U fortunately we have quite a few days to wait to see who is right. Sorry about the typing it's being done on an iPhone. I welcome your skepticism and enjoy debate. I wish I had more time to spend on twoism these days. Let's just see what happens after perihelion and then we can debate further. Stereo A and B may give us more answers soon. Peace!

[hexagon son]

lol no reply with proof Elenin broke up. Just what I suspected. Another disinformant infiltrating the internet.

[Magrathea]

lol no reply with proof Elenin broke up. Just what I suspected. Another disinformant infiltrating the internet.

I really like how you can be friendly in a post when all the proof is pointing along the way of what I presented, and you came back pretty much empty handed with nothing to prove YOUR side of the story and then start to bicker about how I'm a (insert usual crackpot insult here).

I've conclusively shown you that Elenin is fading fast, which is a typical sign of a comet going through breakup, I've shown you the pictures, the animations, I've even shown you Elenin coming back from behind the sun (while you said to wait) and that it was a very pale remnant of it's former self and yet you continue to deny all the evidence, proofs and other reality about it.

So I'm going to have YOU do your part of the deal, which you have avoided until now...

Expose your facts, bring up your proofs that Comet Elenin IS a threat, IS still there, IS headed here.

Don't bother bringing all the Richard Hoagland bullshit or stuff taken from blogs held by some people with unverifiable background.

Thank you.

If I might add a quote: If you can’t tell fiction from truth or speculation from science, you will be vulnerable to being fooled and taken advantage of often in life.

[hexagon son]

most science is speculation though, isn't it? Your right though, I have no proof to assert my claims. By telling me what sources I can and can't use for my proof, you limit my options. The truth is I am having real trouble finding any current info at all the past few days, either from JPL or Hoagland. Google is just turning up non-info. I'm almost wondering if some kind of sensorship is going on about the whole thing.

Perhaps I should be thinking more about Yu55... that thing is coming real close.

[Magrathea]

most science is speculation though, isn't it?

No science is not speculation, science is not a "point of view" science is a set of tools for understanding the world, it's cross-referenced and peer reviewed, that's why it works.

Your right though, I have no proof to assert my claims. By telling me what sources I can and can't use for my proof, you limit my options. The truth is I am having real trouble finding any current info at all the past few days, either from JPL or Hoagland.

The problem with Hoagland, Lieder and all those people is that they don't really have any credentials to make serious claims, Hoagland has been calling for the end of the world for 30+ years and has been wrong 100% of the time.

Google is just turning up non-info. I'm almost wondering if some kind of sensorship is going on about the whole thing.

A censorship involving tens of thousands of people, scientists, journalists, programmers and other people? Tell Me how successful are people at keeping secrets? If more than 1 person knows you will have a leak, guaranteed. Now tens or even hundreds of thousands of people in the know and no one saying anything? Come on... that's just ludicrous

Perhaps I should be thinking more about Yu55... that thing is coming real close.

Real close? still a good 85% of the way to the moon, you realize how far the moon is? By car at 60 mph/100 kmh it would take you 160 DAYS to get there... YU55 is not even listed on the Torino Scale because it is known to be completely harmless, mostly because the orbital planes do not cross


My friend if you want to find things that are worrisome I'd be much more concerned with an upcoming flu pandemic or global warming than an asteroid hit. While an asteroid hit is rare, flu goes around each year. "Influenza spreads around the world in seasonal epidemics, resulting in the deaths of between 250,000 and 500,000 people every year" source

That's a quarter to half a million deaths, 100% sure to happen, concrete and real stuff

Seriously, if there's anything in the skies that have you wonder, feel free to ask me, I know about this stuff and no, I'm not a govt agent, a reptilian (yeah I've been called that when debunking the Norway Spiral in 2009) or whatever else, just an astronomy enthusiast

[hexagon son]

When i was in junior high i used to attend monthly lectures st UVic by astronomers. Seems like a lifetime ago. It was really. My initial post in the BoC forum was something of a joke, but i think lately ive just been looking for some kind of meaning for anything in the universe. People tend to do this when they are unhappy in life. I'm glad that there is someone who is also interested in astronomy on the board.

I must admit though, Hoagland speculations on Cydonia were intriguing, and I would like to give his dark mission book a read. Dont write him off completely, however now i think he may be taking whatever he can and make a spin on it to make a living.

Bah, im either working, tired or drunk. Its why i dont spend much time here anymore. But if you have any new info on Elenin in the future, please post up! i cant see the stars in japan.

[Magrathea]

I guess everyone's reaction in life is a bit different, I'm through a rough patch as well, aimless professionally, but I don't really feel an introspective need like that, perhaps the fact that I`ve been immersed in astronomy/cosmology for 30 some years helps.

I assure you, Elenin is absolutely of no concern nor is YU55, no matter what people like hoagland will tell to get their ratings and click-thru higher

Cheers, enjoy the day and don't let the muck of everyday get to you, put some BOC on

[hexagon son]

One strange fact though, for all the stir this comet elenin is causing on the internet, the discoverer, Leonid Elenin has only done one brief interview on russian TV months ago. You would think some media outlet either on TV a la russia times or msnbc or fox or whatever would have interviewed him to discover what are that facts and give him the chance to refute all these outlandish claims being put on the internet.

Id it possible that Leonid Elenin isnt even a real person?

EDIT: excellent picture showing the eliptic latitude of its trajectory (55). lets hope the projections are accurate, as i'm sure they are!

[hexagon son]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&hl=en&v=1tviDxyNYjk&gl=US

i cant hear the sound as i am at work but thought you may find the footage interesting.

[Magrathea]

I believe Mr Elenin doesn't appear in interviews and things simply because as a scientist, he knows that this comet is just a small piece of rock and ice, he's even endorsed the disintegration of it and commented on how frequent it is for smaller comets to do so. I don't see mystery there.

[hexagon son]

but i do. the thing is, I have to wait a whole month to see if alination is bs.

[Magrathea]

Latest news report that the comet is still invisible, indicating further decay and disintegration, they now say that *maybe* it will be seen crossing the Lasco C3 area in early October, but as most observers agree, that comet is finished and as such joins the graveyard of comets who never really were meant to have any fame

[hexagon son]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oozo1r1eFkc&feature=player_embedded

[Magrathea]

hmm, that video isn't really authority, besides the geometry of what he shows isn't right.

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/22/will- ... ho-images/

[Magrathea]

Well Comet Elenin, or whatever remains of it (no one has been able to capture photos after it crumbled from tidal stress and heat) has cruised passed earth and is now on it's way out not to return for millenia, by then it will just be a hazy mist of dust and gas even more insignificant than it is now.

[Magrathea]

Yu55 has come and gone as well without any harm, as predicted It was nice to be able to follow this relatively close passage live on the web, magnitude 11 is way beyond what I can see from suburbia.