Gender

[Cryabetes]

I wonder if gender neutral toys like legos (which were easily my fav toy as a kid) were responsible for allowing the kids who are now adults (gen Y) to be more accepting of the notion of gender as a spectrum.

As a corollary to that, I wonder if, as lego sets become more specialized (allowing for "Boy" sets and "Girl" sets) if that will fade.

[Magrathea]

I wonder if gender neutral toys like legos (which were easily my fav toy as a kid) were responsible for allowing the kids who are now adults (gen Y) to be more accepting of the notion of gender as a spectrum.

As a corollary to that, I wonder if, as lego sets become more specialized (allowing for "Boy" sets and "Girl" sets) if that will fade.

I'm a Gen-X and die-hard lego freak (yeah I also have a Mindstorm set and a few Lego Technics set) and I always had a relatively set view of all things were, then again I was bathed in all those uber bad '70's shows with big mustaches, square patterned jackets and the ever present machism displayed in that age and day.

I think TV has more to do with corralling our thoughts than toys, I am sure that most of the GENYers and GENIers are seeing it all much more as you describe it, as a spectrum, after all the 70's morphed into the 80's and at that point gender was pretty much a moot point (re: Poison/Motley Crue/Kiss/David Bowie/Frankie Goes to hollywood/etc.) pushed in our face through the misery of MTV.

[turquoise70]

When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fucking special

But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here

I don't care if it hurts
I want to have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice when I'm not around
You're so fucking special
I wish I was special

But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell I'm doing here?
I don't belong here

[Waterbagel]

When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fucking special

But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here

I don't care if it hurts
I want to have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice when I'm not around
You're so fucking special
I wish I was special

But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell I'm doing here?
I don't belong here

agreed

[Julian Candy]

When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fucking special

But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here

I don't care if it hurts
I want to have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice when I'm not around
You're so fucking special
I wish I was special

But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell I'm doing here?
I don't belong here

Don't exactly understand the significance here.

[turquoise70]

Wow, a fair amount has gone on in the days since I wrote the original post.

I've officially thrown off the yoke of malehood. I kept exploring different ways of seeing myself until I realized I really was just fed up with everything that says "You are male, regardless of how feminine or masculine you behave or appear physically". I realized I just didn't want that. It's not that I hate everything that's masculine, I just wanted to be the same person I've always been - only with an F instead of an M. It fits better, and I want it. I want to be female when I do something girly, and female when I do something retardedly masculine. I want to be female when my voice is squeaky and high, and female when it goes down low. I want to be female when I masturbate, female when I laugh at my own farts in the bathtub, and female when I decide not to shave my legs for another week or so. I want to be female when I'm playing Halo with my brother, and female when I'm painting my toenails.

Naturally, this is a pretty daunting realization. I feel like I'm at the base of a huge mountain, looking up at the top, and thinking, "Okay, that's the goal." One step at a time.

I've become fond of the name Nicole. It comes from the same Greek root as Cole (that would be Nikolaos).

[Jonse]

Wow, a fair amount has gone on in the days since I wrote the original post.

I've officially thrown off the yoke of malehood. I kept exploring different ways of seeing myself until I realized I really was just fed up with everything that says "You are male, regardless of how feminine or masculine you behave or appear physically". I realized I just didn't want that. It's not that I hate everything that's masculine, I just wanted to be the same person I've always been - only with an F instead of an M. It fits better, and I want it.

Naturally, this is a pretty daunting realization. I feel like I'm at the base of a huge mountain, looking up at the top, and thinking, "Okay, that's the goal." One step at a time.

I've become fond of the name Nicole. It comes from the same Greek root as Cole (that would be Nikolaos).

It's good that Cole has a female version. I've known a couple of people I know who've changed their gender identity in the past who were not very fortunate when it comes to their name, as a lot of masculine names do not necessarily have feminine versions and so it creates a lot of confusion and inevitable some people don't catch on to someone's new name. Some names though, all they need is a "Ni" in front, that sort of thing. That's probably a lot easier for people to adjust to then someone with the name Jeremy trying to change his name to Sabrina or somethin'.

[machinea]

yeah that is/must be a daunting realization. And you are right, don't look up the mountain just one step at a time. I'ts all anyone can do anyway. Happy Thanksgiving Nicole.

[turquoise70]

Gender update:

I've been seeing a doctor for hormone therapy, and boobs are just barely starting to grow. On me, I mean. I'm growing titties. This is awesome.

My parents, however, have been shit about this whole deal. They've grown more resistant and uncomfortable about this and have basically rejected me. So, yeah. My crappy family relationships just crapped out.

Incidentally, I want to thank everyone here for being cool to me. You are officially closer to me than my biological family. If that sounds kind of sad on some level, it's not because you know me over the internet, it's because my biological family blows dick.

[Waterbagel]

Gender update:

I've been seeing a doctor for hormone therapy, and boobs are just barely starting to grow. On me, I mean. I'm growing titties. This is awesome.

My parents, however, have been shit about this whole deal. They've grown more resistant and uncomfortable about this and have basically rejected me. So, yeah. My crappy family relationships just crapped out.

Incidentally, I want to thank everyone here for being cool to me. You are officially closer to me than my biological family. If that sounds kind of sad on some level, it's not because you know me over the internet, it's because my biological family blows dick.

well, we'll always be here for ya

[zeitgeist]

it's your life, times change, things will rearrange, and we hope you'll stay the 'same'

[Spenner]

Do what you need to do so you don't feel your body limiting you from expressing your true self. Kudos for doing the right thing for yourself, if you know it is the right thing. Better than living life trapped.

[The Friendly Stranger]

http://thefourohfive.com/news/article/a ... me-a-woman

[BettieM]

[quote="turquoise70"]I shaved my legs! They are now smooth and creamy.

I also shaved my belly and my groin, so if my shirt lifts up I don't look like I have a small mammal trying to crawl out of my skirt.

I wore my girl clothes to the State Fair today. It felt -wonderful-. You have never felt the breeze til you've felt it passing through your flowing skirt, blowing it against your freshly shaven legs.

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I also bought a really cute anklet!

[img]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2135/0829111914.jpg[/img]

ADVENTURES IN DESTROYING THE GENDER BINARY!

And then I drew this:

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You are beautiful:))


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[turquoise70]

You are beautiful:))

Gender Update: Boobs are still awesome. You guys should all get a pair. You have no idea what you're missing.

[Guido]

I think Bettie is a bot/someone paid to spam forums and I already have boobies (try lots of alcohol) .

[turquoise70]

I already have boobies (try lots of alcohol) .

I'll let you touch mine if I can touch yours

[Distant Nebulus]

this thread sparked my interest, due to the fact that I'm a HUGE fan of your Boreal Network music...I want to start off by saying that not ever knowing much about you other than being a local artist named Cole, I was a bit surprised after reading this. I wouldn't say the reason being that someone that feels the way you do is incapable of creating art, but when I listen to music, knowing few details of the creator, I unconsciously form an identity of them in my mind. (if that makes any sense)..but then again, only till recently have I changed my outlook on subjects like this, considering my the way I was raised...

I grew up in a very conservative-catholic-Italian household, and not till around the age of 24 did I begin to have an open mind about subjects like this thread. Thanks to my ex-girlfriends nazi-like point of view, I became fed up. Now at 26, I have left the church and REFUSE to be classified on any side of the political or religious structure.

your story simply makes sense in my opinion and I am glad to have read about it because I have honestly never put much thought into subjects about gender and may have thought this was weird, years ago..it really helped solidify parts of my new found view on the world.

I am not the best writer, but I hope this made some sort of sense. I hope things work out well for you.

[turquoise70]

Yeah, I was raised in a very conservative environment too. Believe me, in transitioning, I'm defying a huge amount of the fundamental conventions I was raised with, and denying the validity of a similarly huge amount of "fundamental truths" I was taught. I've stood there and told my parents to their faces, I am a girl. You had two daughters and a son, not two sons and a daughter. They look at me like I just told them the sky is neon purple.

But hey, as recently as 2010 I considered myself a fairly progressive, openminded person and still, the idea of being transgendered was just way, way too weird and outside of my known universe of experiences for me to ever think of. It wasn't until I met an inspiring transperson - a person who would become not only my closest friend but also my role model and basically my heroine - that I realized it wasn't something that was just fundamentally outside of my comprehension. It's not fundamentally outside anybody's. You meet a trans person, you become close, you wind up asking them some personal questions, and suddenly a few months later you realize that this could actually probably happen to you.

As recently as October 2011, I was hesitant to admit that I might possibly be trans. I thought, well, I'm gladly gender non-conforming, but I don't want to say I'm trans, that's like... the Real Deal. It even caused a bit of a stir at first among the circle of friends shared by myself and my aforementioned heroine. Some people apparently even suspected I was doing it "on a lark", or with the intention of pleasing this other person. It's a serious thing to admit, and I didn't -want- to admit it, because I knew well and good it might get perceived that way by people. And because I didn't want to deal with the ramifications of it, if it were true. But eventually I had been drunk and miserable and depressed enough that my friends urged me to consider it an option, if it was eating at me that badly.

So I just decided to go for it until such time as it felt 'wrong'. It hasn't yet.

[turquoise70]

Brief gender update:

Still on hormones! I am beginning to love my body for the first time in my adult life. I'm getting softer, curvier... my face shape is gradually changing!

My hair is finally long enough to tie back in a sporty ponytail.

This is the happiest I've been about my body since before puberty. I feel like, in a year, people looking at me won't have any idea I wasn't always a woman.