GENERAL NEW RELEASE SPECULATION TOPIC

[Valotonin]

Warp

My money

[Valotonin]

I don't think BOC that are the ones particularly seeing much of a financial return from these items. I also don't think it is hypocritical to have an idea of purity that you translate and put across in music despite the fact it isn't something you have achieved yet yourself. Some ideals aren't all that feasible. Ironically, I bet that the money they do see from merch and reissue sales, after Warp take their slice, actually goes towards making it more feasible.

[Valotonin]

This will get me screamed at from higher up if I don't phrase it correctly, but why do you think someone (who is entirely theoretical) on a Major label would have a day job? Particularly a group where only the more dedicated fans actually buy physical copies of anything. If said theoretical people also had a need for multiple items of gear that cost thousands of pounds a unit, sometimes just to create sounds that end up being several seconds of an entire album and purely for the artistic integrity and authenticity of the track, maybe the return they see on that investment isn't as magically high as some think it is.

[Echelon]

Also for the record, I ain't criticizing BOC. I'm mostly just finding ways to talk about them since there's really nothing else to discuss.

I just want more music so I'll stop being a bored fan and analyzing their marketing habits

[Valotonin]

No worries Echelon!

What I wrote on the last page wasn't directed towards you, and you are about as loyal a fan as it gets at times.

I reported my own comment with the last one there, it was too late to remove it, but the mods aren't awake at the moment. I think mentioning "the occupation" isn't advised and I probably shouldn't have.

[The Spaniard]

What you are saying is that not only are their themes the means to the end of making more money instead of genuine sincere artistic expression, they are lying through their teeth when they talk in interviews about their personal ideas and viewpoints, which is a cynical viewpoint.

I wish I could edit the post you are refering to, in order to explain myself better, but for whatever reason I don't see the "edit" option.

They sell us their music, they sell us their art. The market is the ultimate place where they send their albums, I don't think that what moves them to create their albums is their "genuine sincere artistic expression". It isn't just the money either, and this is what I would have modified from my comment. There are more things than money behind the creation of an album, but it is naive to think it is just art for art's sake what moves them. $30 t-shirts, $25 LPs and $30 posters (and this is not a criticism, I am glad to pay for their music and help them).

They have wives, children, cars, houses, a mortgage to pay; not much time for idealism.

[Echelon]

No worries Echelon!

What I wrote on the last page wasn't directed towards you, and you are about as loyal a fan as it gets at times.

I reported my own comment with the last one there, it was too late to remove it, but the mods aren't awake at the moment. I think mentioning "the occupation" isn't advised and I probably shouldn't have.

Oh I didn't mean you, Valo, you're always very understanding. I meant to some other people like Sixtyniner and such.

Didn't see anything wrong with your post since it's purely speculation, but it never hurts to be safe with that.

[The Spaniard]

This will get me screamed at from higher up if I don't phrase it correctly, but why do you think someone (who is entirely theoretical) on a Major label would have a day job? Particularly a group where only the more dedicated fans actually buy physical copies of anything. If said theoretical people also had a need for multiple items of gear that cost thousands of pounds a unit, sometimes just to create sounds that end up being several seconds of an entire album and purely for the artistic integrity and authenticity of the track, maybe the return they see on that investment isn't as magically high as some think it is.

Yes, I agree with you. They probably have a side job or projects (somebody said producing music for other bands). Two brothers that have regular lives and jobs/projects and somehow when they find time, they work together and come up with great albums uner the BoC moniker.

[sixtyniner]

The market is the ultimate place where they send their albums, I don't think that what moves them to create their albums is their "genuine sincere artistic expression". It isn't just the money either, and this is what I would have modified from my comment. There are more things than money behind the creation of an album, but it is naive to think it is just art for art's sake what moves them. $30 t-shirts, $25 LPs and $30 posters (and this is not a criticism, I am glad to pay for their music and help them).

What the discussion before was about was what influenced the themes in their music, and now you are talking about what motivates them to release more music. I'm not going to deny that financial gain is a potential motivation to release more music, but that cannot inherently say anything about what influences the themes they explore in that artistic expression, and what that means about the sincerity of those ideas and how much those ideas may have been influenced by their own convictions. The brothers of all people have much more artistic integrity than many today and it's obvious that they love making music and primarily it's still a hobby and a big part of their lives. They are on record saying that they would still be making music for themselves if nobody else and have no intention of stopping.

[arvy]

So I'd say - stay calm because they have many hidden stuff that can be released any day, that's one difference from other bands, second - if there's something out, it will be (and must be) another original gem sounding like nothing before...

Exactly how I feel. You have to keep csilence before saying something.

The thing is that, nobody here knows for sure. But at the same time, someone here knows something.... Like someone said, you just feel the BOC in the air right now. But you can only guess.

[Echelon]

I think the two things that work against BOC releasing things are 1) Their perfectionist tendencies and 2) Their quality control.

It's pretty clear that if they're making something, it's something that's going to fit solidly into their established canon. The only time I feel they ever tossed something off was Trans Canada Highway and that is definitely the weakest thing they released from the classic era 1995-2006.

I think one reason why I like BOC so much is because they really don't do toss-off albums. Compare them to my other favorite Warp artist Bibio where you can tell he has a bit of a quality control issue. For every Ambivalence Avenue and Ribbons you get a Mineral Love or Mind Bokeh. (No offense to people who like those albums, btw, to me they just seem to be dumping grounds for experiments or filler among good tracks.)

But then again, I'm really happy to be getting a new Bibio album this year and I wish I could say the same for his endorsers. Sleep on the Wing already sounds like it's going to be a friendly pat on the shoulder in an insane year.

[2020k]

I expected Warp to fly into Hexagon Sun with a vile of Coronavirus and threaten to unleash it in their studio if they didn't release a record or EP during this time. The mood is perfect for them. We're basically living out Tomorrow's Harvest IRL.

I'm honestly so surprised we haven't had a muttering from them.

At first, I wondered if they didn't want to put it out right now because of how delicate the economic world is right now, but came to the conclusion that the band and the label know BOC listeners are fiercely loyal and if someone had to pirate it, they'd go snatch up a CD or vinyl when they were financially able.

Heck, even the logistics of getting physicals pressed wouldn't stand in their way if you look at how Fiona Apple (who is just as reclusive between album cycles as BOC, she hadn't released since 2012) pushed her label to put out the digital-only release of her record, months ahead of when it was originally scheduled. Her label just put up a store where fans could buy physicals and let them know it'd be shipping out later in the year. It's all doable.

Now, I'm with the rest of everyone in thinking it's just that whatever they've been working on still isn't finished. I work slow too. I get it. But, I want ittttttt.

[Echelon]

I expected Warp to fly into Hexagon Sun with a vile of Coronavirus and threaten to unleash it in their studio if they didn't release a record or EP during this time. The mood is perfect for them. We're basically living out Tomorrow's Harvest IRL.

I'm honestly so surprised we haven't had a muttering from them.

At first, I wondered if they didn't want to put it out right now because of how delicate the economic world is right now, but came to the conclusion that the band and the label know BOC listeners are fiercely loyal and if someone had to pirate it, they'd go snatch up a CD or vinyl when they were financially able.

Heck, even the logistics of getting physicals pressed wouldn't stand in their way if you look at how Fiona Apple (who is just as reclusive between album cycles as BOC, she hadn't released since 2012) pushed her label to put out the digital-only release of her record, months ahead of when it was originally scheduled. Her label just put up a store where fans could buy physicals and let them know it'd be shipping out later in the year. It's all doable.

Now, I'm with the rest of everyone in thinking it's just that whatever they've been working on still isn't finished. I work slow too. I get it. But, I want ittttttt.

I'm still thinking how nice it would be to get the Bocset during these times. It would be a dream come true getting to spend my hours in quarantine digging through some unreleased marvels from all different eras. Imagine getting to hear the history of BOC but through entirely new tracks; everything from 80s PSA style MHTRTC tracks to trippy to sinister Geogaddi tracks to laid back acoustic Headphase tracks.

I actually sent Warp an email (I didn't expect them to respond but I did want them to read it) how nice it would be to get a BOC release during these times. It wasn't a demand, more like "wouldn't this be nice"

[2020k]

I've reached the level of boredom to where I opened this thread, went back to the first days of the pandemic, and just read through everything. Through it, I thought about sending Warp an email as well, but only to ask them if they could give us any information. They can't, so the attempt to contact them seems more self-serving than it is anything else, but it was a thought.

Even during an album cycle, they're unhelpful aside from mass emailed press releases. When I was reporting on the Tomorrow's Harvest campaign I was getting my sources from everyone but Warp, so they're very tight-lipped about the band. I'd leave them alone. I'm sure they're busy.

That being said, the thing I loved most about scouring the pages was that Warp is doing a weekly mixtape and http://wacocult.tripod.com/visit.html this.

Someone reminded me too that Mike and Marcus have lives outside of the band too. It's something I always think about, but I'm sure what they do day to day has been affected by the pandemic as well and they've had to adjust. When this all started it took me a month and a half to even think about opening a DAW between changes in my employment (working from home) and being exhausted by asinine conspiracy theorists and the president.

All this being said, I still want the album

[Echelon]

I've reached the level of boredom to where I opened this thread, went back to the first days of the pandemic, and just read through everything. Through it, I thought about sending Warp an email as well, but only to ask them if they could give us any information. They can't, so the attempt to contact them seems more self-serving than it is anything else, but it was a thought.

Even during an album cycle, they're unhelpful aside from mass emailed press releases. When I was reporting on the Tomorrow's Harvest campaign I was getting my sources from everyone but Warp, so they're very tight-lipped about the band. I'd leave them alone. I'm sure they're busy.

That being said, the thing I loved most about scouring the pages was that Warp is doing a weekly mixtape and http://wacocult.tripod.com/visit.html this.

Someone reminded me too that Mike and Marcus have lives outside of the band too. It's something I always think about, but I'm sure what they do day to day has been affected by the pandemic as well and they've had to adjust. When this all started it took me a month and a half to even think about opening a DAW between changes in my employment (working from home) and being exhausted by asinine conspiracy theorists and the president.

All this being said, I still want the album

Yeah with Warp, I didn't expect a response. I was just letting them know I was interested in future releases. I made sure to phrase it that way too. I also did so because I was pretty scared at the time (a few months ago) about how the world was going and wanted nothing more than to hear from BOC again. No harm intended whatsoever and I made sure not to cross any lines.

I've been paying close intention to the weekly mixtape btw. They had a warp artist choose it last week. I'm hoping they somehow manage to get BOC to choose the selection. That would be awesome. A second Societas and maybe this time a hint at the future!

[Radiobuzz]

I have Facebook so I'm writing a comment on their latest post to let them know it would make me very happy to hear something. Surely won't accomplish much but it can't hurt either. If you want you can join and post when you read this.

[Echelon]

I have Facebook so I'm writing a comment on their latest post to let them know it would make me very happy to hear something. Surely won't accomplish much but it can't hurt either. If you want you can join and post when you read this.

If you're not joking, Twitter's probably the best place for them to see that. They usually like stuff regarding new albums. They haven't done it in a while but I feel whenever they (or MDG, or the warp intern) log on they might see it and like it.

...Then log off for three months again.

[2020k]

Eh. I sent out a transmission. What's a little positive energy into the atmosphere?

[Echelon]

No Warp Earth Tape so far this week. Did they give up on it already or are they busy wrangling the Sandison bros to make one for their starved fans?

[northernlite]

No Warp Earth Tape so far this week. Did they give up on it already or are they busy wrangling the Sandison bros to make one for their starved fans?

wouldn't

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