01. / 02. Introit / Prophecy At 1420 MHz

[Den]

Yes, I’m feeling connected to my instincts because after the Mr. Mistake Remix was released I remember thinking “I hope their sound continues to move in this direction.”

I may be projecting, and it’s satisfying for me to think about it this way, but it feels like they’ve been revealing the new direction of their sound in since 2016 through the Nevermen Remix work and Societas X Tape.

The ‘live’ drum sound in Prophecy At 1420 Mhz evokes the Mr. Mistake Remix, and the groove feels connected to Treat Em Right.

There vocal cries and OM sounds in Mr. Mistake sound similar to some of the vocals in PA1420 Mhz. And there’s the Hindustani flute line at the end of Mr. Mistake - the flute that begins the new track also has a Hindustani-like timbre but they’re detuned. I think we may hear more Indian Classical influence throughout Inferno (I’m also thinking of the M. S. Subbulakshmi track on Societas). Industrial raga.

Also, did anyone notice that the percussion in the outro of PA1420 Mhz sounds like gamelan?

Quoting this one more time to say that the vocal in Mr. Mistake first comes in at 1 minute and the vocal in Prophecy is at around 40 seconds.

[Davism]

It's funny, I don't feel coerced or manipulated when I make the choice to follow Christ. The quote from Nothing is Real paints God as someone who stacked the cards against us– I think that's a misrepresentation. If God is real, and He created everything (us), how could there be an authentic loving relationship shared between us and Him if He didn't give us free will to also reject Him? The Gospel is that Christ died for our sins so that we may obtain salvation if we have faith, and that doing good works does not get us into Heaven, but only a result of wanting to follow Christ. That's really great news. I don't try to follow Christ because of guilt or because of the threat of eternal separation (Hell), but because I love Him.

Yes, Christ taught love and forgiveness (turn the other cheek, love and pray for your enemies, how radical is that?!?!), but He also warned of Hell and encouraged us to turn away from sin. And if every BoC fan rejected Christ in an effort to reject conformity, aren't you in turn just conforming to the side that rejects Christ? I mean, we all conform, right?

That said, the imagery the broz used in Prophecy of the "televangelist movement" is certainly a fair criticism against Western Christianity (assuming it was a criticism). There have been plenty of people that have been hurt and manipulated by heretical and false churches. Those people do not represent Christ.

Apologies, I should have chosen my words more carefully, I didn't meant to cause offense. In my experience (I'm agnostic but have married into a devout Christian family), the underlying pull for people to believe is the promise of eternity in heaven and seeing all your loved ones again. And I can completely understand that pull, it's a powerful one.

I've just always struggled with the notion that in order to avoid eternal damnation (the kind I myself will be suffering according to Christians), I need to go against my sense of logic and reason. If the god of this universe punishes people for going with their rationale and intuition, then I guess I have no option but to take my punishment as I am incapable of doing otherwise.

Dood, absolutely no need to apologize. Ii wasn't offended, just want to share my experience and reason for being a Believer. I think God is the best explanation as to why there is, instead of isn't. To me, God's is logical. C.S. Lewis, who was an Atheist, makes what I believe some strong arguments... why do we go through life longing for something we can't get? If we are just soulless creatures making decisions based solely on chemical reactions, why do we crave for more? Earthly pleasures, like love, joy, new BoC album ;*), are meant to arouse, not satisfy. That's why I believe we are meant for another "world."

[Wildfire]

Dood, absolutely no need to apologize. Ii wasn't offended, just want to share my experience and reason for being a Believer. I think God is the best explanation as to why there is, instead of isn't. To me, God's is logical. C.S. Lewis, who was an Atheist, makes what I believe some strong arguments... why do we go through life longing for something we can't get? If we are just soulless creatures making decisions based solely on chemical reactions, why do we crave for more? Earthly pleasures, like love, joy, new BoC album ;*), are meant to arouse, not satisfy. That's why I believe we are meant for another "world."

Oh no, I don't think we are soulless creatures, I just don't think there's an omniscient patriarch that burns people in hell for eternity for masturbating or being gay etc. Having done DMT a number of times, I'm definitely open to the idea of an afterlife, but the way it's framed in Christianity just isn't for me.

[turquoise70]

Imagine, being an early Christian enthralled with a doctrine of love and forgiveness and knowing everything that was to come, all under your banner... hijacked indeed u_u

To their credit, the Lutherans that raised me mostly did reflect those values, and even warned of such hijacking. I saw it coming before I was even old enough to understand just how bad it was.

Is it really an issue of hijacking? For most of its history Christianity has been a state religion, in some form or another, and in this way has been a tool for the justification and perpetration of atrocities and for the preservation of unjust rule. What is happening in America with regards to Christianity in this sense is not all that unique, even in modern history. This is obviously not to discount what has been said by you and others here, that obviously Christianity appeals to many real virtues among people, but to emphasize that the narrative of a 'hijacking' seems to sort of ignore the reality that these doctrinal virtues not only contradict but also have historically failed to develop meaningful opposition to the institutional function of the church.

You are of course not wrong about the disproportionate nature of power. I won't argue that. But the hijacking is all the more tragic in that it happened so fast, so early and so completely.

Anyway. I don't know. I was taught a religion of peace, forgiveness, understanding, progress and inclusion. I'm sorry it's not more prevalent.

[kyriakos]

i think what prophecy sets a part from the rest are the live simplistic drums.

[Davism]

Dood, absolutely no need to apologize. Ii wasn't offended, just want to share my experience and reason for being a Believer. I think God is the best explanation as to why there is, instead of isn't. To me, God's is logical. C.S. Lewis, who was an Atheist, makes what I believe some strong arguments... why do we go through life longing for something we can't get? If we are just soulless creatures making decisions based solely on chemical reactions, why do we crave for more? Earthly pleasures, like love, joy, new BoC album ;*), are meant to arouse, not satisfy. That's why I believe we are meant for another "world."

Oh no, I don't think we are soulless creatures, I just don't think there's an omniscient patriarch that burns people in hell for eternity for masturbating or being gay etc. Having done DMT a number of times, I'm definitely open to the idea of an afterlife, but the way it's framed in Christianity just isn't for me.

We all deserve hell, not just the coomers. If Christ really did conquer death, and we can gain salvation by having faith in Him, I think that's a pretty amazing deal.

[turquoise70]

i think what prophecy sets a part from the rest are the live simplistic drums.

Yes, yes, yes. I really can't get over how brutal they are. I love it.

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[Wildfire]

We all deserve hell, not just the coomers. If Christ really did conquer death, and we can gain salvation by having faith in Him, I think that's a pretty amazing deal.

It's that inherent guilt baked into the religion that I struggle with. The idea that we are all born sinners, all babies, born bad by design, but have to believe to be saved, even if it goes against their judgement or rationale. Just horrible, what a thing to teach children. Each to their own but it's a hard no from me.

[Davism]

I guess it depends on your perspective if you believe or not; I don't feel guilt, but rather conviction. I don't believe there is anyway we can have an authentic love for God without having free will (the choice to sin).

[Redd Panderson]

We all deserve hell, not just the coomers. If Christ really did conquer death, and we can gain salvation by having faith in Him, I think that's a pretty amazing deal.

It's that inherent guilt baked into the religion that I struggle with. The idea that we are all born sinners, all babies, born bad by design, but have to believe to be saved, even if it goes against their judgement or rationale. Just horrible, what a thing to teach children. Each to their own but it's a hard no from me.

Speaking as someone largely outside of Christianity, is this like...an intense Christian way of saying "no one is perfect?"

I was raised without religion being forced on me, but Christianity was always in the background.

[magrathea_ultima]

re: religion/cults/magic

May I kindly point out to you the body of work of Christopher Hitchens.

(Additionally: Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Ricky Gervais, Stephen Fry, Sigmund Freud, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Edison, Friedrich Nietzsche, Mark Twain, Douglas Adams, David Suzuki, George Carlin, James Rachels...)

[dana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObitApK0L0g

[Mexicola]

Frank Zappa on religion: 'Go direct.'

[Wildfire]

Frank Zappa on religion: 'Go direct.'

Ha, I like that.

[Den]

Yes, I’m feeling connected to my instincts because after the Mr. Mistake Remix was released I remember thinking “I hope their sound continues to move in this direction.”

I may be projecting, and it’s satisfying for me to think about it this way, but it feels like they’ve been revealing the new direction of their sound in since 2016 through the Nevermen Remix work and Societas X Tape.

The ‘live’ drum sound in Prophecy At 1420 Mhz evokes the Mr. Mistake Remix, and the groove feels connected to Treat Em Right.

There vocal cries and OM sounds in Mr. Mistake sound similar to some of the vocals in PA1420 Mhz. And there’s the Hindustani flute line at the end of Mr. Mistake - the flute that begins the new track also has a Hindustani-like timbre but they’re detuned. I think we may hear more Indian Classical influence throughout Inferno (I’m also thinking of the M. S. Subbulakshmi track on Societas). Industrial raga.

Also, did anyone notice that the percussion in the outro of PA1420 Mhz sounds like gamelan?

Quoting this one more time to say that the vocal in Mr. Mistake first comes in at 1 minute and the vocal in Prophecy is at around 40 seconds.

I love how the main vocal enters the mix as the last note of the synth phrase that begins at 2:27.

[Scories]

At one end of the spectrum, we have those with a passive faith. At the other end, we have the dogmatic critics (like an allergic reaction). In any case, very few people have taken the time to read the message for themselves. And it’s not particularly complicated. This is essential if we are to form an informed opinion and have an intelligent discussion.

In 2026, people can quote Yoda, Batman, Spider-Man and Captain America... but are generally unable to quote a single word or parable of Jesus. And yet, they express quite strong opinions on the subject.

Instead of leaving your judgement in the hands of intellectuals, you should first form your own opinion. You could start by reading the Gospel of Matthew. It should take you just under three hours. Taking a few minutes to familiarise yourself with a thousand-year-old book that claims to come from a higher wisdom and upon which our civilisation is founded – don’t you think that’s a good investment of time (whatever your approach) ? And if you want to take your thinking a step further, you could continue with the Gospel of John, Genesis and Revelation. Even then, you’ll already have countless insights and references.

Read without preconceptions, without taking into account what religions teach about it. Simply ask yourself whether the values conveyed here seem beneficial or harmful. Do the major religions put his teachings into practice? In any case, you will be able to form a more informed opinion on the subject.

[Skyraider]

or if the samples do hold significant meaning that lines up with their worldview.

I have to admit, the more I listen to what Nasr believes, the less serious I take it.

One of them, if not both of them, watched the entire seminar in its entirety. From what I've gathered, they have an elevated interest in these subjects no matter what their personal beliefs are. The quotes chosen are deliberate, and one in particular "seat of consciousness" comes all the way at the end of the talk. And the inclusion of what sounds like a Persian Ney isn't a coincidence either.

But, considering the last sample they made says "Nothingness. . . The Absolute Truth" might be more akin to what they truly believe philosophically speaking. ***Massive speculation***

I think it’s a mistake to take ANYTHING in their music at face value as representing their beliefs: being deceived / harmed by beliefs seems to be a running theme:

References to David Koresh and the Branch Davidians
White Cyclosa / Black Helicopters
Chemtrails
America Under Siege / FEMA concentration camps that are actually just AMTRAK trainyards
Jim and Tammy Bakker

[b0qurant]

two thoughts:

1. I mentioned this before, but I continue to think (with some repeated listens) that this is one of their best-ever progressions in a song. like anyone else on this forum, I worship BoC. AND (not but), I can find the repetition a little uninspiring sometimes. I feel like this is one of their structurally smartest songs and it gives me a lot of hope for the lengthy tracklists here.

2. I find it interesting that (I have seen some online) people interpret the vocoder part as the "voice of God." people have brought this up as cheesy, etc. I realize there is the "I am God, the ultimate resonance" line and all that. I do not interpret them including that sample, though, as meaning they intended that voice to be God's voice. feels like a shallow reading of the sample and its usage in the song.

[Redd Panderson]

two thoughts:

1. I mentioned this before, but I continue to think (with some repeated listens) that this is one of their best-ever progressions in a song. like anyone else on this forum, I worship BoC. AND (not but), I can find the repetition a little uninspiring sometimes. I feel like this is one of their structurally smartest songs and it gives me a lot of hope for the lengthy tracklists here.

2. I find it interesting that (I have seen some online) people interpret the vocoder part as the "voice of God." people have brought this up as cheesy, etc. I realize there is the "I am God, the ultimate resonance" line and all that. I do not interpret them including that sample, though, as meaning they intended that voice to be God's voice. feels like a shallow reading of the sample and its usage in the song.

Thank you for putting this into words, I was feeling this with the progression of the song too but couldn't articulate it like you did. Looking at how long all the tracks are, I really think this is going to be a feast.

I like the sample myself. It feels BIG. It feels fundamental (the voice of hydrogen, the elemental number 1). To the extent their previous albums could be seen as encompassing a cautionary message about humanity's collective trajectory, this almost feels to me like "ya'll have fucked up, now this is who you're answering to. No one but yourself to blame." Again though, as I've said in the past here, I feel this will be a difficult-but-transformative times album, getting forged in fire and rising from the ashes kinda thing. Like this isn't the end, but rather a difficult, inevitable step in the progression of civilization.