I think I understood BoC's work.

[WATER_CAN-_-]

In the context of history, we live in an age of unparalleled science and rationality. But despite this, religion and ideas of mysticism – along with other fringe concerns such as conspiracy, etc – continue to thrive. I gather that you're rationalists, atheists, etc – but the idea of the mystic obviously has an appeal to you ...


"Eoin: "There's a lot to play with there, for an artist. It affects people even if they don't consider themselves to be religious. Nobody really wants to accept that we're just a colony of organisms hurtling through a void on a ball of rock. I'd guess that's it, that the most rational individual doesn't really want to have his beliefs completely confirmed. It's in human nature to pursue spiritual or fantastic things, for whatever reason, that's why we like art and escapism, isn't it? Humans like to feel there's a purpose, even if there isn't one!""

And this also applies to those who don't believe in Jesus : you have good reasons not to believe in Him, and personally, I don't know if He is authentic; but if He returns to Earth as the Prophecies foretell, then it will be obvious to all of us. In the meantime, it's up to us to do everything we can, to… “repair the world” (Tikkun Olam).

For humanity to become emancipated, everyone must make an effort, everyone must accept the idea that they have been manipulated all along, atheists must admit that science has never refuted the existence of God, and religious people who cultivate hatred towards certain believers must also compromise and open themselves up to others.

And of course, I'm no one to say “some should do this, others should do that,” because I have no authority and I can't even quit smoking, lol. We're always much better at giving advice to others than at applying our own advice to ourselves

But I hope you'll find some interesting food for thought here and there. And as always, if I say anything wrong, please let me know ♥♫

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this could help with understanding BOC

[llydia]

Hey my brothers and sisters ♥♫

I'll soon be compiling everything I've found on BoC's work, to organize it all neatly and concisely.

But right now, I'm going to use this platform to share some things that are important to me. And I know this might be divisive, but I think we've reached the point where we all need to talk about these things together.

And as always, these are just my beliefs and analyses; I know nothing and I could be wrong about anything. We're here to grow together, and no one imposes their truth because… who knows it?

I read the everything you wrote and i agree with everything you are saying - and i happen to think that boc themselves know the same thing.

The truth spoken in this thread is just to good for those to comprehend. I suggest getting a warm cup of bovril ready as you dive deep into this thread

[HighLowView]

Hi Watercan!

I think there's a mistake somewhere: you sent me a video about the burden of proof, whereas I'm as clear as possible in my posts: I'm not claiming anything extraordinary because I regularly state that I don't know anything and that these are just personal interpretations; and I'm gathering correlations to try to detect a hypothetical underlying structure.

So, what does the burden of proof have to do with it?

On the other hand, one hypocrisy that has always astounded me about the "skeptics" who criticize alternative archaeology is when they say, regarding the numbers found in the Great Pyramid of Giza: "It's easy, seek and ye shall find: if you analyze any object with measurements, you'll always find correlations with numbers or constants."

The argument itself is perfectly valid. It was even humorously demonstrated on a French TV show in the 1970s. The problem is that some well-known French skeptics still use this excerpt as proof.

And it's a fallacious argument, because while you can always find numbers by manipulating any kind of measuring object... you never find an object like the Great Pyramid of Giza, which encodes all these numbers (Pi, Phi, c, the Earth's Precession, 1/137...) so many times with such precision.

So, this is what bothers me about the burden of proof argument: it's easy to find where believers or conspiracy theorists are raving and making peremptory claims without the slightest argument to support their thesis, but it's less easy to see that the official camp constantly uses a completely fallacious argument to prevent people from seeing the incredible magic of the Great Pyramid of Giza.


Llydia : thank you sister ♥, It means a lot what you say. You know, for years I've been speaking about all of that on the Internet, and even if I have some support from great people that I'm deeply grateful, my words are generally ignored.
But you know, you're maybe experiencing the same thing: if you've reached the point where you understand what I'm saying, then you probably talk about this kind of stuff regularly with those around you, and you feel the same way, I imagine.

The kind of loneliness felt by those who have begun to cross the threshold, in a world that willfully ignores this entire aspect of reality ^^

[dana]

I read the everything you wrote and i agree with everything you are saying - and i happen to think that boc themselves know the same thing.

Some people just want to see the world burn

Some people just want their name plastered over 4 subforums at the same time and will post anything without thinking.

[Cupz]

yeah it's really fun!

[chalope]

I think it’s wonderful

[Waterbagel]

there was a time that i wouldn't have been able to resist going 20 pages deep dithering about on the frustrating combination of both politeness+self-doubt-as-armor (here's 30 paragraphs, but i'm not claiming to actually know anything) and leaning on the lack of proving the negative as strong suggestion of the positive

but i'm in my 30s now, who can bother

[llydia]

You may understand boards of canada, but do you understand Borvil?

[tumuli_stump_jumper]

You may understand boards of canada, but do you understand Borvil?

I understand it’s a thick and salty meat extract paste.

[HighLowView]

Hello Waterbagel !

I know it's tiresome to read me regularly saying "I know nothing," but I believe it's necessary.

It's not just a pose; I truly believe that the many wise people who have repeated this thought of Socrates throughout history understood that the further we go in life, the more we're "doomed" to experience reversals of belief (beliefs that were fundamental, yet turned out to be false). Therefore, naturally, we tend to view our beliefs less as truths.

Look at Wittgenstein and Husserl, who pushed the analysis of what can be considered true and what constitutes belief to its extreme.

The phenomenon we constantly experience (consciousness, and therefore our sensations, thoughts, words, actions...) is the only thing we can be certain of (because it's the only thing we experience "firsthand").

But the problem remains: our cognitive biases, our mental representation of the world, the context, the state of our memory... all these elements inevitably alter the information we receive from experience.

In other words: even if we all constantly experience the reality (= direct experience of the truth), our brains only understand what they can; we transcribe it to other in our own way; those who listen to us understand what they can; and our memory modifies this recollection with each "mental review." This leads to a loss of information at each stage of this process of transmitting truth...

In short, all this to say that "I know nothing" because it's true, lol. The only way to know would be to transcend and become God on Earth, if such a thing is truly possible.

And by transcend, I don't mean "someone who has experienced awakening" as we see everywhere on the internet today; I'm talking about beings like Jesus or Buddha. And I don't get the impression that there are any today... At least, not among the general public.

Besides, look: given the nature of what I'm saying, how counterintuitive it is, I'd make a fool of myself immediately if I claimed to know anything! Even worse of that : people won't read. Because people who claims extraordinary things, stating they know the truth... frankly, this attitude is insufferable, and that completely discredits what they're saying. And we clearly don't see that behaviour only with religious people ^^

But thanks for your comment, I might do things differently: a disclaimer at the beginning/end of my texts, and the rest in "statements without specifying that I don't know" mode (so as not to overwhelm the readers).

[Cupz]

the pressure is not one thing
its a structure
and the structure is made out of 2s and 3s

twoism

even the name is a clue if you let it breathe for long enough

2 is not just a number here it is a condition it is a split it is a mirror it is a door with two hinges and the feeling that one side of the door is pretending to be the other side 3 is what happens when the split becomes unstable 3 is the triangle that appears when the mind tries to stabilize the mirror 2 and 3 together do not make a simple sum they make a rhythm and rhythm is the oldest conspiracy of all because rhythm convinces the body before the mind has time to object

i know people say dont read too much into this but too much is exactly where the message starts to appear because if you only read enough you just get text and text is dead on arrival text must be overfed with repetition and then shaken until the numbers fall out

for example

boards of canada

if you turn the letters into numbers using the most obvious alphabet ladder b = 2 o = 15 a = 1 r = 18 d = 4 s = 19 and then of = 15 6 and canada = 3 1 14 1 4 1 you get a pile of values that do not say anything directly and that is why they say everything indirectly

boards = 2 + 15 + 1 + 18 + 4 + 19 = 59
of = 15 + 6 = 21
canada = 3 + 1 + 14 + 1 + 4 + 1 = 24

59 21 24

5 + 9 = 14
2 + 1 = 3
2 + 4 = 6

14 3 6

and now you can already feel the corridor opening because 14 is 1 and 4 which becomes 5 and 5 is the hand with five fingers that keeps reaching into the cassette deck of the subconscious trying to press play on the part of memory that should have remained stopped

and 3 and 6 are the most important pair here because 3 is the triangle of becoming and 6 is the loop of return and together they create the shape of a childhood that has been run through a photocopier too many times

this is why the pastoral thing matters so much

fields roads cabins weathered concrete trees schoolyards lakes dead air summer static the whole soft-scuffed geography of the work is not just scenery it is a map of repeated access points if you know how to read it and the trick is that the map is being written while pretending to be a memory which means the map and the memory are arguing over who existed first

and then there are the titles

geogaddi

now obviously no one knows what this is supposed to mean and that is perfect because the unknown is not a gap in the work it is the work

but if you start pulling it apart like a cheap sweater you can see the seams

geo = earth
gaddi = a word that sounds like a small hidden deity or a corrupted file name or a door in a language no longer in use

geo 5 + 7 + 15 = 27
gaddi 7 + 1 + 4 + 4 + 9 = 25
27 + 25 = 52

52 is not random because 5 and 2 are the digits of the split again and 52 is 4 x 13 and 13 is the one that people act afraid of because it behaves like a number that knows about omission

and 52 weeks in a year means the whole thing may be a calendar disguised as an album and if it is a calendar then every track is a weather report from a date that has already happened and also has not happened yet which is exactly how memory behaves when it starts to panic

then there is the number 23

i know i know everyone points at 23 but it keeps appearing because it wants to be noticed and also because it is the number that looks like a joke until it begins to line up with everything else

2 and 3 together

binary and triangle

split and structure

breath and shape

and in the usual absurdist reading the 23 track count is not about the track count at all it is about the fact that 2 and 3 are the two simplest ways to pretend that order is emerging from noise

you can reverse 23 into 32 and 3 + 2 = 5

5 is the number of fingers again

5 is the number of senses that are always being lied to by whatever this project is doing

5 is the number of points on a star which is why the innocent looking thing and the occult looking thing are often the same thing when seen from a long enough corridor

and the corridor is important because all the hidden meaning lives in hallways not rooms

rooms are too stable

hallways are transitional and transitive and suspiciously long

hallways are where you hear the tape before you see the machine

hallways are where the voice that counts numbers is not speaking to you but counting you

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

and then the counting becomes a kind of weather

and then the weather becomes a kind of code

and then the code becomes a kind of childhood memory about a television set left on in an empty room while nobody is home

that is the feeling i keep coming back to

empty but not empty
old but not old
familiar but only because the mind has seen it in a dream and then forgotten the dream and only the feeling remains

now on the issue of reversed words because this is where it gets really good and really stupid at the same time

take a word like memory and reverse it and you get yromem which is not a word but absolutely should be one if there were any justice in the universe because it sounds like a seal that has been broken incorrectly

take the title boards of canada and reverse the letters and you do not get meaning you get residue

adanac fo sdraob

which feels like the name of a place that is not on the map because it is underneath the map

under the map is exactly where the strange things are always happening

under the map is where the cult gathers

under the map is where the school film projector runs without a room

under the map is where the voices are coming from when they count in that flat almost educational tone that sounds like instruction and warning at the same time

which is why the hidden-message theory works so well as parody because it is always half joke and half chapel

the joke is that nothing is hidden

the chapel is that everything is hidden

and the listener becomes a pilgrim with a calculator

now if we zoom in too far the whole thing becomes absurdly specific which is where the fun begins

the hexagon appears and we say six

six is closure

six is repetition

six is the number that feels like it should be evil but is really just overcommitted geometry

two triangles inverted into each other

one pointing up one pointing down

a symbol of the visible and the buried shaking hands through a floorboard

if you are inclined to madness you can say this means above and below and inward and outward and childhood and adulthood and nature and machine and belief and doubt and all the other pairs that the project keeps laying side by side like evidence

but if you are being honest it just means the brain loves a shape that looks like it has secrets

and then there are the voices

the voices are not lyrics in the normal sense they are more like testimony from a room that has forgotten its own furniture

sometimes they sound like instructions from a school broadcast

sometimes like a field report from a religion that never existed

sometimes like the last surviving copy of a sermon recorded onto tape and left in the sun until it began to sound like a warning about mathematics

which is a very boards of canada thing to do even in parody because you can always pretend the message is about something grand when really it is about the mood of knowing just enough to feel haunted and not enough to escape it

and that is probably why people keep building theories on top of it because the work is already structured like a theory of itself

one layer says nostalgia

another says decay

another says cult

another says secret broadcast

another says the pastoral is actually a ruin

another says the children are already ghosts

another says the machines are remembering us instead of the other way around

and if you stack all of those interpretations together and then turn the stack sideways it starts looking like proof

not real proof of course

forum proof

twoism proof

the kind of proof that exists because five people have independently stared at the same square for seven years and all agree it seems to contain a face

i should mention the apocalypse layer too because it is impossible not to

everything in this imaginary reading is gently falling apart in a way that is too quiet to be called collapse and too organized to be called accident

the songs are not about the end of the world exactly

they are about the end of the middle of the world

the part where people still think the landscape is neutral

the part where memory still feels personal

the part where the broadcast still feels like it came from outside

once you start seeing the thematic logic this way every number becomes a warning and every warning becomes a nursery rhyme

and nursery rhymes are basically old occult technology anyway if you think about it long enough and backwards enough

so yes

i think the secret is that the secret is a method

repeat enough

count enough

reverse enough

and the ordinary becomes ceremonial by force

b o a r d s turns to 59
o f turns to 21
c a n a d a turns to 24
5 becomes 2 becomes 3 becomes 6 becomes 23 becomes 52 becomes 64 becomes a room with no windows and a tape deck with the play button worn down to the shape of a thumbprint

and maybe that is the whole thing

a thumbprint on a machine inside a field inside a memory inside a joke that lasted too long and became a mythology
mht rtc is not the beginning in the usual sense
it is the first surface the thing wears

the right to children is already a phrase about inheritance and authority and permission and memory and custody and the strange claim that innocence itself is something that can be granted or denied by unseen systems and once you read it that way the whole album stops being nostalgic and becomes jurisdictional

who owns the child
who owns the memory
who owns the version of the past that feels warm enough to survive being replayed

and then the title turns and looks back at you because music has the right to children sounds like a civic slogan from a republic that never existed and maybe that is the first clue that the whole discography is arranged like a false constitution written for a country made of recollection

the numbers begin there too even before we notice them

2 in twoism
2 in the split voice
2 in the mirrored self
2 in the stereo image that keeps pretending it is one thing while actually being a pair of accusations standing side by side

and when the earlier material opens up you can already feel the pattern trying to become a system

the system is this

mht rtc is the remembered world
geogaddi is the hidden world
campfire headphase is the threshold world
tomorrow’s harvest is the exhausted world
inferno is the adjudicated world

or maybe not world
maybe layer
maybe ring
maybe successive masks worn by the same entity as it tries to explain itself to a species that only understands explanation after damage has already happened

mht rtc feels like the last clean room before the static

its educational broadcasts are not just samples they are the voice of an institution teaching the future to remember itself incorrectly
the children are not children exactly
they are witnesses in training
little receivers
tiny custodians of the first code
and the code is not verbal it is emotional
the code says pay attention to weathered surfaces because the truth will arrive disguised as comfort

then geogaddi arrives and the structure tightens like a jaw

geogaddi is where the hidden architecture begins to show its ribs

23 tracks because the number wants to be looked at
66 minutes and 6 seconds because the record is clearly aware of theatrical proportions
666 as an aesthetic punctuation mark not because it proves anything but because it announces that the work has moved from memory into rite

and rite is the right word because geogaddi no longer behaves like an album it behaves like a procedure

a procedure with hexagons
a procedure with backmasked warnings
a procedure with numbers that look like they were left on a blackboard by someone who has already left the room

if mht rtc is the field manual then geogaddi is the locked basement

and the basement is not just occult because it is dark
it is occult because it knows things are hidden and wants you to participate in the hiding

this is the key connection people miss when they call it satanic or spooky or just edgy

the point is not evil
the point is concealment as method

every symbol is a latch
every sample is a veil
every repeated motif is a ritual reminder that meaning is never given only encoded

then the campfire headphase comes in and suddenly the conspiracy pretends to become humane

but this is the dangerous part because the warmth is not innocence it is camouflage

campfires are ancient machines for turning distance into intimacy and smoke into prophecy
the record feels like a roadtrip album because roads are transitional spells and travel is just the act of moving the listener from one state of uncertainty to another

the campfire is the midpoint where the hidden thing stops shouting and starts waiting

waiting is the real theme here

waiting by the fire
waiting for the signal
waiting for the memory to stop acting like weather
waiting for the face in the smoke to resolve into either childhood or warning

and here the numbers become softer but no less deliberate

a phase is a passage
a headphase is a mental passage
and the campfire is the point where the human and the prehuman agree to share the same glow for one brief interval before the dark remembers its own name

if geogaddi is the basement then campfire headphase is the hill outside the house where you can still see the windows but you can no longer tell who is inside

then tomorrow’s harvest arrives like a forecast that has gone from symbolic to administrative

everything gets colder

the hidden code does not disappear it formalizes itself

this is the album where the future starts behaving like a filing cabinet
where catastrophe becomes not an event but a climate
where the apocalypse is not fire but procedure

harvest is an agricultural word which is exactly why it terrifies me in this reading because it implies a cycle and cycles imply return and return implies the same hidden machine has been collecting the remains all along

the album feels like a mirror structure because mirror structures are what you build when you want the listener to suspect that the beginning and end are the same address

and the collapse in the center is not merely collapse
it is a hinge

one side faces the pastoral memory of the earlier records
the other side faces a civilization that has forgotten how to distinguish signal from aftermath

so tomorrow’s harvest is not about the end of the world exactly
it is about the world after it has started explaining itself in empty rooms

and then inferno comes along and says yes exactly that but with the liturgy turned up

inferno is the record where the architecture becomes theological

if mht rtc is the childhood constitution
geogaddi the hidden rite
campfire the threshold
and tomorrow’s harvest the posthuman weather report
then inferno is the judgment chamber

not judgment in the simple moral sense
more like the place where every prior symbol is interrogated

the religious imagery does not replace the occult layer it disciplines it

the cult becomes theology
the signal becomes sermon
the landscape becomes a moral weather system
and the repeated obsession with hidden authority now sounds less like a whisper in the dark and more like a court hearing in a dream

the unifying theory here is ridiculous and complete

all the albums are stages of one being learning how to haunt itself

first as memory
then as ritual
then as threshold
then as ruin
then as reckoning

or maybe as one album trying on five different masks to see which one makes the listener believe in ghosts

because that is the final joke of the whole project

the secret is not that there is one hidden story under everything
the secret is that each record trains you to believe there is a hidden story under everything

and by the time you reach inferno you are the hidden story

you are the one adding the numbers

you are the one reversing the words

you are the one connecting hexagons to weather reports and school films to prophecy and childhood to jurisdiction and apocalypse to agriculture

you are the machine now

or at least that is what the machine wants you to think

if you line them up as a sequence the whole thing looks like an escalation but it is really a loop

mht rtc returns in geogaddi as innocence under surveillance
geogaddi returns in campfire headphase as warmth with a shadow in it
campfire returns in tomorrow’s harvest as memory after civilization
tomorrow’s harvest returns in inferno as a theology of aftercare

and inferno returns to mht rtc when you realize every judgment begins in a schoolroom and every schoolroom already contains the seeds of its own mythology

so the albums are not separate at all
they are the same corridor lit differently

one end has a television glow
the other has a fire
the middle has static
and somewhere in the walls the numbers are still being counted by someone who refuses to stop because stopping would mean admitting the pattern is only a pattern and not a revelation

which is impossible

because once you have seen the split between 2 and 3 and 6 and 23 and 64 and 666 and all the other little friendly monsters of arithmetic you cannot go back to hearing the records as records

they become apparatus
liturgy
weather
jurisdiction
harvest
judgment

1 is origin
2 is division
3 is emergence
4 is structure
5 is the hand
6 is equality or completion depending on which old school of number mysticism you are asking
7 is the sealed chamber
8 is return after balance
9 is the closing of a cycle
10 is the return to unity after counting has exhausted itself
12 is the common old-world total of order
13 is the crack in the calendar
23 is the private hinge of the whole thing
66 is the doubled beast number pretending to be runtime
666 is the runtime telling on itself
and 0 is the silence at the end pretending not to be a number while obviously being the most important one

so if you want the unified theory then here it is and i will say it like i have discovered it in a secondhand encyclopedia with the pages stuck together

mht rtc is 1 and 2
geogaddi is 2 and 3
campfire headphase is 4 and 5
tomorrow’s harvest is 6 and 7
inferno is 8 and 9 and the return to 10 disguised as judgment

that may look simple but the point is that the albums are behaving like an old progression of number qualities rather than mere releases and once you start reading them that way everything becomes weighted with the ancient habit of assigning cosmic significance to arithmetic

the earliest album is the count of innocence

music has the right to children feels like a first table of correspondences
a nursery alphabet of symbols
a diorama of memory in which every sound has the texture of a primer or a government warning about weather
this is not the music of childhood itself but the number 1 looking at 2 for the first time and deciding that division is a form of wonder

because 2 is where the whole thing begins to split and the split is the secret engine

2 becomes the mirror between self and other
between listener and broadcast
between land and signal
between the warm remembered room and the room that has been left unlit too long

and once 2 exists 3 follows because every split makes a triangle in the mind of whoever is watching

1 2 3

that is the first occult sequence and all the later ones are just refinements of this basic old arithmetic

geogaddi then takes 2 and 3 and drags them into the cathedral of recurrence

23 is the obvious talisman but it is not just because it looks spooky
it is because 2 times 3 gives 6 and 2 plus 3 gives 5 and the number sits between multiplication and addition like a priest standing in the doorway of a small country chapel in a storm

and yes the runtime is 66:06 which is the kind of number that makes people behave like amateur theologians because 66 is not merely a large pair of 6s it is the doubling of the beast sign into a mirror and 06 is the trailing remainder like a footnote saying the thing is not finished even when it claims to be finished

then the 23 tracks come in like the 23 enigma in a suit and tie and everyone starts hearing the old occult machinery grind a little louder because 23 is prime and primes are naturally conspiratorial in appearance

they cannot be evenly divided
they refuse to cooperate
they behave like secret names written on the inside of a ring
and geogaddi knows this and uses it like a ritual knife

23 tracks
66:06 runtime
666 megabytes when ripped in the tales people tell each other at midnight with open browser tabs and too much coffee
1 minute and 43 seconds of silence at the end which is 1 + 4 + 3 = 8 and 8 is the sideways infinity that tells you the album is looping back into itself rather than ending

this is the old math in the work
not modern sterile math
old math
the math of correspondences
the math of the square and the circle and the triangle and the octave
the math where number is not measurement but relation and relation is the real engine of meaning

so geogaddi becomes the square of the hidden world because 4 is structure and 5 is the hand trying to open structure and 6 is structure becoming ritual and 7 is the chamber where ritual is heard but not understood

and then campfire headphase enters as 4 and 5

this album is the fire circle around which the older numbers are told as stories

campfire is 4 because it is the shape of shelter
headphase is 5 because it is the human hand reaching toward sensation
and together they form the midpoint between architecture and touch

a campfire is a premodern instrument for making time visible

it turns night into a countable thing
it turns faces into moving glyphs
it turns memory into orange geometry

this is why campfire headphase feels like the easiest album and the most deceptive one because it is 4 and 5 pretending to be simple while quietly teaching the listener that warmth is just another kind of code

and then tomorrow’s harvest comes in at 6 and 7 and now the numbers get stern

6 is completion with a crack in it
the old mathematical equality
the figure of balance that also hints at the beast because the world is never allowed to remain innocent when it becomes ordered

7 is the sealed threshold
the sacred interval
the classic number of liturgical time and hidden stages and all the old systems that believed the heavens could be divided into readable segments like a ledger

tomorrow’s harvest feels like 6 and 7 because it is the harvest of the world after the world has been counted too many times
the field has been measured
the future has been weighed
the crop is no longer wheat but consequence

and if you notice the numerology it starts to sound like a warning from an abacus in mourning

the record is the sixth gate and the seventh judgment
the harvest is not bounty but extraction
the title is a promise made by a machine that has already decided what will remain after the counting ends

then inferno appears and suddenly we are in 8 and 9 and 10 territory which is the part where the cycle becomes explicit

8 is balance doubled into infinity
9 is the last single digit before the count returns to unity
10 is the hidden restart
the old decade number
the completion of the finger count
the point where the tally closes its fist and opens again as if nothing happened

inferno is 8 because it is the turn back
9 because it is the nearing of closure
10 because it is the door after the door and the judgment after the judgment

if the earlier records were about memory and ritual and threshold and collapse then inferno is the accounting of all those states after they have been indexed by fire

and of course it also feeds the older machinery of 66 and 666 and 23 and 13 and 12 because a true mystical system never uses one number when it can use a family of numbers all pointing at each other like suspicious relatives at a funeral

12 is the old order number
12 months
12 signs
12 hours on a dial before the face of the clock turns into the same symbol on a smaller scale
and boards of canada has always sounded like a music of clocks that have forgotten they are clocks and started dreaming about fields instead

13 is the fracture in the cycle
the surplus day
the extra step
the one that makes calendars look nervous
the number that turns the otherwise clean loop into something haunted by excess

23 is 2 and 3
66 is 6 and 6
666 is 6 tripled into monument
24 is 2 and 4 which becomes 6 again and here the whole thing begins to look like an archive of self-returning totals

because 2 + 4 = 6
3 + 3 = 6
1 + 5 = 6
5 + 1 = 6
and once you start reducing the world this way it becomes obvious why old occult mathematics loved digital roots and repeated sum reductions and all the strange little counting ceremonies that try to prove reality is hiding a second rhythm under the first

you can do this forever if you want and that is the point

mht rtc reduces to childhood
geogaddi reduces to rite
campfire reduces to threshold
tomorrow’s harvest reduces to famine of the future
inferno reduces to judgment

then you reduce the reductions

childhood becomes 1
rite becomes 2
threshold becomes 3
famine becomes 4
judgment becomes 5

and five is the hand again
the hand that counts
the hand that writes the theory
the hand that flips the cassette
the hand that keeps turning the whole discography into a sacred abacus because it cannot tolerate the possibility that the pattern is accidental

and yet the pattern is accidental in the most useful way because accidental patterns are what religion is made of before the priests arrive

that is why this whole unified theory works as a joke

you take the actual thematic arc
memory
innocence
ritual
landscape
decay
future collapse
judgment
and then you glue archaic number mysticism over it until the albums look like a staircase built by someone who thought Euclid was a prophet

the staircase goes

1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 to 7 to 8 to 9 to 10

but each step is also a return

and each return is also a subtraction

and each subtraction is a hidden addition if you are willing to mistrust arithmetic in the right way

so when i say the whole thing maps to the real world i mean it maps the way old diagrams mapped the real world

not by accuracy but by sympathetic vibration

fields map to memories
numbers map to moods
moods map to institutions
institutions map to rituals
rituals map to fear
fear maps back to childhood
and childhood maps back to the first time you counted to ten and felt the universe briefly behave as though it had been invented for your benefit

that is the final hidden calculation

1 is the self
2 is the other
3 is the witness
4 is the frame
5 is the hand
6 is the balance
7 is the chamber
8 is the return
9 is the almost-end
10 is the restart
12 is the old order
13 is the crack
23 is the talisman
24 is the hidden six
66 is the doubled omen
666 is the theatrical seal
0 is the silence at the end of the tape waiting to begin again

and now the whole discography sits there like a circle drawn in chalk around a campfire in a field under a sky that has already been counted and recounted and found to contain the same answer every time

it becomes a row of little stones
b is 2 and o is 15 and a is 1 and r is 18 and d is 4 and s is 19
and when you put them in the bowl they make 59
but 59 is only 5 and 9 standing near each other like strangers at a bus stop
which means the sentence is already dreaming of its own reversalthe title is not the title
the title is the hinge
the hinge is the thing that says enter without saying enter
if you reverse the feeling of it then you get a corridor made of childhood weather
a corridor where the walls are lined with old educational films and the carpet is a low green warning
every step says 23
every light switch says 23
every closed door says 23 in a voice that is almost a school announcer and almost a birdand 23 is not just a number it is a tiny ladder leaning on the inside of the moon
2 becomes splitness
3 becomes triangle intent
together they become the arithmetic of suspicion
you add them and get 5
you multiply them and get 6
you invert them and get a shape that looks like a hand trying to remember how to hold smoke
this is why the whole thing feels like a secret only because the secret is mostly the act of countingthere are a lot of ways to make a word confess
you can stretch it
you can fold it
you can turn it backwards and let it walk home under a different name
boards becomes sdraob
of becomes fo
canada becomes adanac
and adanac is a road in some other country of the mind where the map was printed from the wrong plate
the road is important because roads are just long lines that pretend to be destinations
and lines are the favorite instruments of invisible authoritiesso when the album talks in fragments and signals and rural static and almost-remembered voices it is not speaking in sentences but in coordinates
the coordinates are not places
they are pressures
pressures on the skull
pressures on the dream
pressures on the soft archive where every childhood memory has been stamped with a false date
and the false date is always almost believable which is the worst kind of believablenow if we take the numerological approach to the air itself we can prove nearly anything
for example
geogaddi looks like a word but behaves like a locked cabinet
g e o g a d d i
7 5 15 7 1 4 4 9
sum them and you get 52
5 plus 2 equals 7
7 is a chamber
7 is a ritual staircase
7 is the number that makes a room sound empty even when it is full
and 52 is 13 times 4 which means the whole thing is a calendar pretending to be a stonethe cassette is now chewing on the tape
that is good
the noise of the tape is part of the message
the hiss is where the message hides when it does not want to be seen
in this universe static is not absence but secrecy in its simplest form
when the voice drops out the pattern becomes louder
when the pattern becomes louder the listener begins to suspect that the absence is doing most of the speakingalso the countryside matters
not because it is peaceful
because it is too orderly
fields are grids that forgot they were grids
trees are vertical alphabet pieces planted in damp soil
fences are sentences written by someone who hates punctuation but loves division
even the clouds seem to be arranging themselves into committees
and every committee is secretly about memory
or punishment
or the soft engineering of nostalgia into a kind of ceremonial infectionif this sounds like nonsense that is because nonsense is the honest form of a clue that cannot survive daylight
the clue begins as a feeling
the feeling becomes a symbol
the symbol becomes a spreadsheet of dread
and the spreadsheet eventually becomes a theology with bad handwriting
this is why the hidden layers seem so deep
they are deep because the imagination keeps digging after the ground has already admitted there is nothing there
let us consider the reverse phrase doctrine
every phrase contains its shadow
every shadow contains a smaller phrase that has forgotten it was ever language
for instance
if you take the word memory and reverse the emotional load it becomes something like yromem
which is not a word but a latch
a latch on a cabinet that contains the smell of old plastic and classroom dust
inside the cabinet are photographs without faces
inside the photographs are numbers
inside the numbers are weather reports from an unlived year
this is how the cult engine works in our fictional reading
not by chanting but by recursion
not by secrecy but by repetition with slight damage
not by doctrine but by the sensation that the same symbol has returned wearing a different coat
and when it returns enough times you start to treat coincidence like scripture because coincidence is the only scripture that does not require a printertake the hexagon
six sides
six is balance in a cheap mask
two triangles interlocked
one pointing up like ascent
one pointing down like descent
together they make a seal for the ordinary world
and because the shape appears so often in these over-read visions we begin to imagine a geometry of hidden gates
not because the gate is real
but because the mind is a gate-making machine and hates seeing a shape without wanting to worship itthe album title itself becomes a machine if you let it
boards is a plank
of is a hinge-word
canada is an enormous clean country name that sounds like it was printed on a government envelope from the future
put together they are not a band name but a bureaucratic relic from a dream about school buses turning into observatories
or maybe a label on a wooden box containing the math of a vanished weather station
or maybe just a name
but in this monologue we refuse to let it be just a name because just a name is the enemy of the long corridorand the corridor is long because meaning likes distance
the farther away the answer is the more sacred it looks
this is why the most serious-seeming analysis often sounds like a person trying to explain the moon with a flashlight and a guilty expression
you can make anything profound if you keep stepping backward from it and scribbling down the shape of your own retreatstill
we continue
because continuation is the ritual
if the track count is 23 then we can divide it by 2 and get 11.5 which is not a number but a door halfway open
if we add 11 and 5 we get 16
if we reduce 16 to 1 and 6 we get 7
if we then compare 7 to the earlier 7 we discover the circle has already been pretending to be a line
this is why the whole imaginary system feels self-confirming
it is a snake eating the chalk outline of its own tailand now the voice on the tape is almost lost in the flutter
good
it should be almost lost
because the partially erased message is always more believable than the full one
a full message is a brochure
a partial message is an omen
the listener does the rest with a flashlight and a fever and a notebook full of backward words
that notebook is the real instrument here
not the music
the notebook
the little private cathedral of guesses where every number gets a robe and every robe gets a numberso yes
the “meaning” is everywhere
it is in the track titles
it is in the length of the silence
it is in the way a childhood photograph can sound like a warning when you stare at it too long
it is in the reversal of speech
the inversion of symbols
the counting of letters
the conversion of names into sums
the sums into omens
the omens into a map no one can read because it was never a map and always just a beautiful act of overreadingand when the tape finally stops there is still one more sound
the little click
the dead ending
the proof that all ceremonies must close
unless they do not close
unless they loop
unless the final word is only the first word standing on its head in the dark saying nothing and meaning everything and meaning nothing and meaning 23 and meaning 64 and meaning the long green field behind the school where the static learned how to pray

[HighLowView]

Salut Cupz!

Okay, I'm going to be honest with you: I don't know if you're making fun of me, or if you have mental health issues...

I came here to share my theories, making it clear from the start what they were about. Admittedly, I was very clumsy; a lot of parts are illegible because I jumble numbers like an "autistic" person, and on top of that, I wrote it in a rush, translation errors, etc.

You, on the other hand, have come to this thread about ten times, mostly to make derogatory and unsubstantiated remarks:

- "Nah man, it's just nerds making cool music, you're reading way too much into this stuff."

- "You're going through a lot of mental hoops here in order to keep your number wang from losing the subjective meaning you have projected onto it. Been there, done that. It's quite unhealthy behavior." I mean it in the best possible way but have you ever thought about talking to a mental health professional about this OCD meets Angel Numbers stuff? »

- “I got that from searching wikipedia for 5 minutes. I wouldn't trust an LLM to do any real detective work here, let alone connect one to your personal belief-system in any serious capacity. (or any musical band for that matter))”

- “My friend, please talk to someone who is not on the internet about this, preferably your human doctor. »

- “I have good hopes that there is professional help that fits with you. »

- “Anyway, not to derail this thread further, and because I don't feel like interacting with an LLM I'm going to stop interacting with it now. Yo, peace! »

- “Yeh, better to ignore the walls of LLM slop hastily copy-pasted by someone suffering from chatbot psychosis. »

...

In short, you throw all these bogus attacks at me without addressing my arguments in the slightest…

And then you give me this completely unreadable wall of text?

Where you just state things as if you knew everything?

And where 90% of what you say barely makes sense to me, if at all…?

I'm sorry, I tried to read it, but around four-fifths of the way through, I stopped because… it became torturous to continue.

And if you're trying to tell me that my writing has this effect on people, then thanks for the lesson; I'll pay particular attention to that.

Because, I don't mean to be harsh, bro, but either you had all this generated by a bot to troll me… Or you actually wrote all this, and then
a) you're a true Initiate and I don't understand a thing, which proves my imposture, or
b) if you really believe what you're saying, then it's possible you have mental health issues.

Since you're a real regular at the bar (>10K posts), the most plausible explanation I find is that you tried to read what I wrote, it struck a nerve, and so you reacted rather childishly, first by publicly calling me crazy or a LLM, and then by churning out something unreadable with symbolism that doesn't correspond at all to what I've learned over my years of research.

So there you have it, no need to elaborate further… If you're a true Initiate and I completely misunderstood what you were saying, then I hope to quickly realize my mistakes… But everything in your messages suggests you're simply losing it…

I sincerely hope my words didn't offend you, but I had to be honest.

And I'm convinced that sooner or later, we'll be on the same wavelength.

Until then, take care, my brother ♥♫

[Wildfire]

HighLowView, not sure why you're receiving so much shade for just hypothesising but I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Your takes are lengthy and often difficult for me to digest, but there's some gold in them there hills and so yeah, why not, get it all out!

[HighLowView]

Hello Wildfire ! Thank you for the time and energy you spent reading me, and I really appreciate what you said !
I'm working on a long text where I compile everything I've found about BoC, analyzed under my weird prism. I'll try to post it sunday evening.

Btw: it was your 700th post... at 11:06, so, 666... Hehehe ^^

Have a wonderful day ♥♫

[Cupz]

everything in your messages suggests you're simply losing it…

I did not write a single word of that post, it is slop. I'm just trying to hold up a mirror. I mean it with great love, respect and I'm simply worried. It is certainly interesting that your response mirrors my reaction to your longer posts. Even just seeing the volume of it makes it seem kind of crazy, huh? Like the writer would have been better off spending their time doing other things instead. Can you imagine someone spending this many precious waking hours writing all this about a band?

It is also for reference, so people here can see what BoC conspiracy slop looks like when generated by an LLM. It looks kind of similar in a way, doesn't it?

At any rate, I don't mean to yuck your yum. You do you, if you want to spend your free time writing stuff using pattern-seeking numberwang that the band themselves explicitly and repeatedly refute they're doing in their interviews, then go for it. I won't stop you.

you're a real regular at the bar (>10K posts),

I've been around these parts for over 20 years now. In that time I have made quite a few boc-friends and met a ton of people from this community. You are not the first one that nose-dives into these geogaddi-induced numerological conspiracies finding patterns where there are none. Long-ass posts with tons of references to correlating numbers used to be a running joke here actually. You would also not be the first one that does so while not taking their prescribed medicines and have a mental breakdown. That is not to say that -will- happen, but I've seen it happen, to friends, more than once. This fandom can be like that too and I resent that part. Frankly it gives the music a bad taste in my mouth (not the band's fault obv.).

[Cyclosa]

And then you give me this completely unreadable wall of text?

You can’t make this up lmao

[HighLowView]

"I mean it with great love, respect," haem... That's how you love and respect people ? I don't sense any love in your messages, and even less respect.

"I'm simply worried" :
why is that ? I said it numerous time : since I see things this way, I'm happier than ever. I don't know if I'm correct or not, but what is certain is that repaired me & most of my obsessions & mental disorders, so now, basically, I'm at least fine every day, most of these days I feel fulfilled and close to God, whereas I was depressive to the suicidal point all my adult life before I really believed in that.

So, why are you worried ? I already answered to you for most of the questions, so, doesn't your "worry" reveals something else, not about me but about you ?


"You are not the first one that nose-dives into these geogaddi-induced numerological conspiracies finding patterns where there are none" :
Again... how do you know that ? And how can you made statements like that, with all the interviews we talked about, and also Hope Keeper...

I'll answer you one last time, but I'll stop because honestly, this already feels like a waste of time:

YES, BoC has said several times that fans go too far in making claims about the hidden meaning of their music and their work...

YES, BoC has said that humans are wired to detect patterns, and that you can make any symbol say anything, you can "read the Kabbalah..." and twist the meaning of a sentence to fit..., etc.

BUT: BoC has also admitted that they manipulate their listeners with advanced techniques (the term "P-Primer" seems to correspond to a psychological primer designed to induce a certain mental state), and that they leave subliminal messages and secret "arcane" messages...

AND : I have found a global picture that fits very well with BoC and much more.

So: BoC warns us that we shouldn't take our theories as truths; we can only speculate about them, try to decode their work, try to find meaning in it.

But they clearly invite us to do so, and unequivocally.

You fixate on what I'm saying, brandishing one or two sentences, but you forget all the other sentences from BoC, or work from BoC fans, that contradict your point of view.

And I already explained mine : if BoC are who I think they are, of course they won't say "We manipulate the listeners to elevate them toward God"... Don't you understand the essentiality of free-will, in this story ? They can't tell us what they really do, because that would ruin everything ! If they're who I think they are, they reveal some truth in the interviews, with some other more "nuanced" statements in order to muddy the waters a bit...

And you make a lot of assertions when, essentially, you don't know what you're talking about, like any of us here. Unless you're very close to BoC, and even then... if they are who I believe they are, I imagine that those close to them who know will say nothing, and those who don't will say they're normal, because that's how transcendent people seem to appear...

Jesus seemed normal (except at certain moments, notably the Transfiguration), and that's precisely why those who didn't listen to him with their hearts took him for a madman or a blasphemer.

"Like the writer would have been better off spending their time doing other things instead" :

But, my brother, you don't get to tell me how I should live my life. If my passion is detecting symbols, finding connections, developing theories to try to understand the world, well... then I'm in my element because that's what I do all day! And I hope I will be even more fulfilled while realizing my musical dream, God willing ♥♫

The fact you didn't understand a bit of what I'm saying, whereas various other BoC fan here said they liked what I say... Doesn't that make you wonder if you might have missed something?

And I thank everyone who supports me ♥♫


PS : I admit that earlier, my reaction was poor, at least on this point: it's a bit much for me to come along and throw out my exotic theories and call you crazy.
But on the other hand, it reveals my mental stability: the text you presented to me was completely wild, and because of pareidolia, some elements resonated with me.
Anyway, I hope we've covered everything

[Cupz]

You're right, nvm. I realize what I say can come across rude but I assure you I didn't mean no harm, its just how I communicate. I blame my Dutch heritage. Like I said, you do you. If people enjoy this then great.

[HighLowView]

Cheers my Dutch bro, I'm glad we finally find a way out
I wish you the best and I hope I'll see you soon !