Is the Boccer religious?

[Green Pylon]

(and what is a perfect creature?)

the sounds of boards of canada

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Holy crap. These religion topics always get so deep

[Numerator]

It hurts my head trying to understand
I much prefer threads that go like this

User 1:Dawn Chorus is Awesome!
User 2:This has been posted before, but yes it is awesome
User 3:Yay!

[turquoise70]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

[dono]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

I enjoy that.

[Cupz]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

I enjoy that.

Write a book!

[Earthbound]

Only is a question of humility, if you believe that you know everything or, considering the human being as an imperfect creature cannot understand the entire reality.

duality could be a simple way for an expanding mind of one itself.

Don't know whether I get your question completely and whether it's directed in general or to me (English is not my mothertongue, might have something to do with that).

I absolutely don't believe I know everything, hope not my previous post made that suggestion. Absolutely wasn't meant that way, don't want to be the religious zealot of twoism . Scientist are still working on understanding reality and that's only on the physical part, so would be quite arrogant to say I know it all. Someone said something like: "The more we know, the less we understand". I couldn't agree more......

You say an imperfect creature cannot understand everything, can a perfect creature understand the entire reality? (and what is a perfect creature?)

Again. I'm completely with you. You took the words out of my mouth.

[turquoise70]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

I enjoy that.

Write a book!

We don't understand anything or the requisites of anything.

The End.

[Guido]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

I enjoy that.

Write a book!

We don't understand anything or the requisites of anything.

The End.

Great book man, but.. Understanding something is needed to create facts.. And you just stated a fact.. Isn't this paradoxical?

[turquoise70]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

I enjoy that.

Write a book!

We don't understand anything or the requisites of anything.

The End.

Great book man, but.. Understanding something is needed to create facts.. And you just stated a fact.. Isn't this paradoxical?

your understanding of the nature of a logical paradox is wrong. see point above.

[jakestott]

man, i dunno what to believe to be honest, so i guess i'm agnostic

Check out this youtube blogger here, he's called Brett Keane and he's pretty badass - http://www.youtube.com/user/MrEvilution777

[meat like product]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

absolutely perfect for a useless unending religious discussion. It's really sad that people talk about this crap outside of an anthropological context.

[meat like product]

man, i dunno what to believe to be honest, so i guess i'm agnostic

Save yourself the trouble and don't believe in anything?

[Skytree]

Recently, I tend to oscillate between these two perspectives:

(1) Spiritual: Sometimes I feel there is some great, unknown fabric underneath the everyday reality that we typically perceive. Our minds can only feebly perceive it, given minimal evolutionary incentive, but every once in a while, it becomes clear that there's something more complex (more divine?) going on underneath the surface. I typically feel this way after something terrifically serendipitous happens, or after a particularly striking experience...like being captivated by a natural environment, or having something that would be best described as a premonition (which happens often).

(2) Rational/Scientific: As Richard Dawkins has so bravely pointed out, the rational, scientific world offers plenty of fodder for wonder and awe exclusive of religion. In this sense, it acheives much the same purpose as religion often attempts to: a sense of place and purpose beyond oneself, or a sense of place within the universe. We know that we are, in essense, both infinitely tiny specks within the greater cosmos, and infinitely large superbeings in comparison to the microcosmos of the Planck scale. We are simultanously of no consequence whatsoever and of incredible importance. Thinking this way, when I feel "un-spiritual", so to speak, helps me maintain perspective.

Personally, I suspect that, in the long run, (2) will become the dominant driver in my life, with parts of (1) being annexed on depending on experience and discoveries (IE: scientific insights that may verify experiences typically falling in the first category). I see no reason why I couldn't be spiritually fulfilled using rationality alone, being constantly awed by the magnificent truths and unknowns that surround us in this immense universe.

[turquoise70]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

absolutely perfect for a useless unending religious discussion. It's really sad that people talk about this crap outside of an anthropological context.

blah blah blah my name's meat like product blah blah blah i have opinions and i am supr srs

[Aesthetics]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

absolutely perfect for a useless unending religious discussion. It's really sad that people talk about this crap outside of an anthropological context.

blah blah blah my name's meat like product blah blah blah i have opinions and i am supr srs

Hmm, why so defensive? (or am I missing the humor?)


On topic:
Topics like this always seem to do more harm than good.. why trying to convince someone over the net to believe in something. I never really understood that.

[turquoise70]

i was a philosophy major, that's what you get for allowing me to participate in just any old thread. i'll turn any subject into an exhausting, impenetrable wall of monologue decrying our ability to understand anything or the requisites of anything.

absolutely perfect for a useless unending religious discussion. It's really sad that people talk about this crap outside of an anthropological context.

blah blah blah my name's meat like product blah blah blah i have opinions and i am supr srs

Hmm, why so defensive? (or am I missing the humor?)

if i were trying to defend myself or my viewpoint you can bet i'd be doing a better job than that

it just makes me giggle that mr meat can be counted on to harp on religion when it comes up and sometimes even when it doesn't, such as my totally jokey statement he quoted in order to make another super srs remark about religion.

there, the joke has been murdered and dissected and had its organs labeled so nobody will be misled. it wasn't really funny enough to be worth it, but okay

the frustrating thing to me is most of the things i find humorous don't really merit long explanations and close scrutiny so by the time i've explained why i said what i did, the whole thing has already been given way more exposition and attention than it deserves... like right now. i don't know. someday i'll learn my lesson and stop trying to make humorous remarks over the internet.

[Skytree]

Nudging the thread train back on track (and not to be dismissive, Cole), I would be very interested in any reactions or thoughts regarding my previous post, positive or otherwise. I've been thinking quite a bit about this subject recently. Cheers!

[Shadowshocker]

Not in reply to Skytree (I don't really have a reply), but I've always viewed religion as a story of mathematical proportions. Sort of an image applied to structure. The same structure is found over and over again through history, with a new skin grown on top of it.

I believe that everything in the world can be traced further to rely on a smaller image of the same form. The sun blows up and everyone dies. Well, zone out of the universe and maybe that sun was just a miniscule amount of energy on a larger entity. So, when you point a gun at someone and kill a large entity, what's really happening is a huge mass of mini-energy collections are being killed. Their cells, small collections of energy stop working and die.

It's all in proportions. Everything can be explained in this similar way. So when people joke about a man (God) who sits behind a desk working the universe, controlling the future...well it's partly true. A boss fires a woman, who then kills herself. Well, that man has just played God as he just effortlessly caused death upon million forms of energy in an action of events. Bad example, I know. But just something to think about.

edit: keep in mind i am a catdust

[s7409651]

Nudging the thread train back on track (and not to be dismissive, Cole), I would be very interested in any reactions or thoughts regarding my previous post, positive or otherwise. I've been thinking quite a bit about this subject recently. Cheers!

Oh, Mr Tree, I was thinking when first reading your post, that you are probably the forum member with views closest to mine.

Though tending towards your first view;
I have never been one for religion. But spirituality(and I dont mean dreamcatchers and faeries ) is very important to me.

There's a line from the film INTO THE WILD that stuck with me, when some crazy topless european floating in a river says 'The Universe is Sooooo Good'.. It's a naive sort of phrase but hell, it pretty much sums up how I think.

I believe positive energy breeds more positive energy, and the opposite. Respect of nature, of one's body, and of others is of top importance to me. I dislike drugs and alcohol. I dislike consumerism. I believe that everything happens for a reason. I don't believe one has to belong to a religious group to have religious experiences. As for premonitions, captivation by nature, and serendipidy, yes.. I feel the same way.

A lot of religion teaches people that they are powerless without (insert house of worship/leader here)
.. I believe our minds and souls are capable of incredible power.