Is the Boccer religious?

[88marquis]

I'm not bashing religion because of the actions of a few. I'm bashing it because of the scripture itself and the ignorance of it's "followers". And yes I'm arrogant. I have no problem admitting that The world would be a much better place without believers. And I do know what you believe. I was a devout Christian until high school when I woke up.

I can't believe I'm the only one that understands that religion and "organized religion" are the same fucking thing.

I think its safe to say you're running in circles with this one.. You think the world would be better without believers? What do you believe.. nothing? Thats cool, you believe that there isn't anything else after what we percieve as a lifetime - but thats believing in something nonetheless.

As far as religion and organized religion, it depends on an individual basis hands down. Not everyone looks at it the way you do man, the only thing earthbound is trying to get through to you (as I see it) is that anyone can believe whatever they want to.

I can see that you aren't ok with that.

Let me know if I'm wrong.

[Magic Brenda]

"What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?"

[rik0000]

"What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?"

Can they both exist?

[Earthbound]

I'm not bashing religion because of the actions of a few. I'm bashing it because of the scripture itself and the ignorance of it's "followers". And yes I'm arrogant. I have no problem admitting that The world would be a much better place without believers. And I do know what you believe. I was a devout Christian until high school when I woke up.

I can't believe I'm the only one that understands that religion and "organized religion" are the same fucking thing.

I think its safe to say you're running in circles with this one.. You think the world would be better without believers? What do you believe.. nothing? Thats cool, you believe that there isn't anything else after what we percieve as a lifetime - but thats believing in something nonetheless.

As far as religion and organized religion, it depends on an individual basis hands down. Not everyone looks at it the way you do man, the only thing earthbound is trying to get through to you (as I see it) is that anyone can believe whatever they want to.

I can see that you aren't ok with that.

Let me know if I'm wrong.

You're right marquis.
MLP sounds like an okay dude, but he somehow seems to have something against 'believers in an external force'. I hope he sees 'believers' aren't the ignorant bastards as he paints 'em inside his head.

[meat like product]

I'm not bashing religion because of the actions of a few. I'm bashing it because of the scripture itself and the ignorance of it's "followers". And yes I'm arrogant. I have no problem admitting that The world would be a much better place without believers. And I do know what you believe. I was a devout Christian until high school when I woke up.

I can't believe I'm the only one that understands that religion and "organized religion" are the same fucking thing.

I think its safe to say you're running in circles with this one.. You think the world would be better without believers? What do you believe.. nothing? Thats cool, you believe that there isn't anything else after what we percieve as a lifetime - but thats believing in something nonetheless.

As far as religion and organized religion, it depends on an individual basis hands down. Not everyone looks at it the way you do man, the only thing earthbound is trying to get through to you (as I see it) is that anyone can believe whatever they want to.

I can see that you aren't ok with that.

Let me know if I'm wrong.

I don't believe there is nothing after "death". I just have no interest in even thinking about it. I do not believe.

And I told Earthbound more than once that I completely agree with his opinions on morality and etc but the only thing I've been trying to make clear in this thread that it is not religion. He couldn't accept that apparently.. And I've also said people can believe whatever they want to.. I honestly thought I was making that clear.

[Aesthetics]

I don't believe there is nothing after "death". I just have no interest in even thinking about it. I do not believe.

And I told Earthbound more than once that I completely agree with his opinions on morality and etc but the only thing I've been trying to make clear in this thread that it is not religion. He couldn't accept that apparently.. And I've also said people can believe whatever they want to.. I honestly thought I was making that clear.

I've got the exact same experience when talking about this subject.

Once you talk about stuff why someone has a certain religion and how it works, there is always this counterquestion. "What do you believe will happen ... ?" I always correct them by saying "I think that" and when I tell them what I think they say, "see, you believe in something too!". Then I have to explain again that I'm not thinking about that stuff much and that I'm not sure what will happen. But if you ask me directly I will answer with what I think might happen.

[Shadowshocker]

my beliefs are you will all remain energy.
we will all remain energy.
that is all.

[zeitgeist]

my beliefs are you will all remain energy.
we will all remain energy.
that is all.

yes, i believe my good friend Dingus Milk Toast did show me that once

[Earthbound]

I don't believe there is nothing after "death". I just have no interest in even thinking about it. I do not believe.

And I told Earthbound more than once that I completely agree with his opinions on morality and etc but the only thing I've been trying to make clear in this thread that it is not religion. He couldn't accept that apparently.. And I've also said people can believe whatever they want to.. I honestly thought I was making that clear.

I've got the exact same experience when talking about this subject.

Once you talk about stuff why someone has a certain religion and how it works, there is always this counterquestion. "What do you believe will happen ... ?" I always correct them by saying "I think that" and when I tell them what I think they say, "see, you believe in something too!". Then I have to explain again that I'm not thinking about that stuff much and that I'm not sure what will happen. But if you ask me directly I will answer with what I think might happen.

Believe or think, in the end there's not much difference between them I guess. You think that certain stuff will happen... You think that with at least some certainty, otherwise you wouldn't think about it like that.
When you enlarge that 'think' a bit, it will become a believe. Everybody has values, and moral standings. These make you the person who you are. All of it combined, I think, is a believe, something you stand for, you're willing to fight for.. Wheter it is religion or not.

I mean, you do believe in what you think don't you?

[meat like product]

there is an enormous difference between scripture/faith based beliefs and ideas based on conclusions reached through observation and experimentation.

[meat like product]

I'm thinking we should all just drop everything we know, and start to worship "meat like product", he seems to know the answer to everything.

the difference between you and myself is I can justify my disbelief. You have what you've even called blind faith.

And in this thread I'm the one admitting I don't know everything. YOU are the one claiming to know the answer and you can't even give me a reason for how you came to your conclusion. A good reason anyway..

[Twoism-ist]

well i just think that the existence of a higher being is self-evident, you can see it in the world around you. the universe is self-correcting, how could it have possibly been programmed to do so on it's own.

[Aesthetics]

I don't believe there is nothing after "death". I just have no interest in even thinking about it. I do not believe.

And I told Earthbound more than once that I completely agree with his opinions on morality and etc but the only thing I've been trying to make clear in this thread that it is not religion. He couldn't accept that apparently.. And I've also said people can believe whatever they want to.. I honestly thought I was making that clear.

I've got the exact same experience when talking about this subject.

Once you talk about stuff why someone has a certain religion and how it works, there is always this counterquestion. "What do you believe will happen ... ?" I always correct them by saying "I think that" and when I tell them what I think they say, "see, you believe in something too!". Then I have to explain again that I'm not thinking about that stuff much and that I'm not sure what will happen. But if you ask me directly I will answer with what I think might happen.

Believe or think, in the end there's not much difference between them I guess. You think that certain stuff will happen... You think that with at least some certainty, otherwise you wouldn't think about it like that.
When you enlarge that 'think' a bit, it will become a believe. Everybody has values, and moral standings. These make you the person who you are. All of it combined, I think, is a believe, something you stand for, you're willing to fight for.. Wheter it is religion or not.

I mean, you do believe in what you think don't you?

That's exactly what I mean. Don't pigeon hole me because I think something might happen.. this is only a thought which pop up when I talk with someone about it. I don't put a lifestyle to it and I don't attatch any value to it.

[rik0000]

I don't believe there is nothing after "death". I just have no interest in even thinking about it. I do not believe.

And I told Earthbound more than once that I completely agree with his opinions on morality and etc but the only thing I've been trying to make clear in this thread that it is not religion. He couldn't accept that apparently.. And I've also said people can believe whatever they want to.. I honestly thought I was making that clear.

Well, I'm kind of lost, I also assumed you're against religion, but you're not apparantly. You put quite some energy in something you're not interested to even think about.

Furthermore, you seem to know what pure christianity is, without being part of it. I know a lot of believers who claim to know the truth and being part of it, but not many people who claim to know the essence (of something) without being part of it. You're so strongly opinionated on this, it boggles my mind. Why do you want to decide whether I (or others) fit your (narrow-)definition of christianity?

Hope I get you're point in this discussion know, didn't do it before, I guess(?)

[Earthbound]

YOU are the one claiming to know the answer and you can't even give me a reason for how you came to your conclusion. A good reason anyway..

What on earth gave you the idea that we know the answer? It's not called 'a believe' for nothing. Believing stuff, doens't mean knowing for sure.
Nobody knows for sure. You just choose to believe in what fits best to what you think is the most accurate.
We might not gave you the 100% undoubtable facts, or truth, because I think you want to hear that. That cannot be done, and you cannot do that either for what you believe in.
Can you give us a reason why your approach, or 'believing in nothing' is the right one?

[Earthbound]

I don't believe there is nothing after "death". I just have no interest in even thinking about it. I do not believe.

And I told Earthbound more than once that I completely agree with his opinions on morality and etc but the only thing I've been trying to make clear in this thread that it is not religion. He couldn't accept that apparently.. And I've also said people can believe whatever they want to.. I honestly thought I was making that clear.

I've got the exact same experience when talking about this subject.

Once you talk about stuff why someone has a certain religion and how it works, there is always this counterquestion. "What do you believe will happen ... ?" I always correct them by saying "I think that" and when I tell them what I think they say, "see, you believe in something too!". Then I have to explain again that I'm not thinking about that stuff much and that I'm not sure what will happen. But if you ask me directly I will answer with what I think might happen.

Believe or think, in the end there's not much difference between them I guess. You think that certain stuff will happen... You think that with at least some certainty, otherwise you wouldn't think about it like that.
When you enlarge that 'think' a bit, it will become a believe. Everybody has values, and moral standings. These make you the person who you are. All of it combined, I think, is a believe, something you stand for, you're willing to fight for.. Wheter it is religion or not.

I mean, you do believe in what you think don't you?

That's exactly what I mean. Don't pigeon hole me because I think something might happen.. this is only a thought which pop up when I talk with someone about it. I don't put a lifestyle to it and I don't attatch any value to it.

But you do have values. And I think almost everybody has values. And when people have values, they will go very far to defent there values. I mean, very far. Like religiously far.
I was not pigeon holing you. I just took your example, sorry.
Why is it so bad that everybody has values, and believes in them? That's just how people work. I think interest in what other people believe is not a bad thing. Debating about it isn't too. If it's not your time to think about that subject, just tell those wankers, and they will leave you alone. At least I would.

By the way. When I say/ type 'I believe...', you can change it with 'I think...'.

[Snufkin]

By the way. When I say/ type 'I believe...', you can change it with 'I think...'.

Not according to Leibniz's law. If two concepts are the same then they share the same properties. Beliefs and thoughts are distinct; like minds and brains - brains don't wander, but minds do.

-Snuf

[turquoise70]

i suppose if i hadn't been born during a time when reductionism and metaphysical materialism were the fetishized "only paths to true knowledge" i'd have ended up being born during a time when mysticism was the "only clear demonstrable path to true knowledge". through the ages, i have never been on a search for knowledge. you can have and keep your zeros-and-ones data, and you can figure out once and for all whether the chicken or egg came first, but i want wisdom. neither organized religion nor institutionalized science can, by their bare machinations, impart wisdom.

[Earthbound]

By the way. When I say/ type 'I believe...', you can change it with 'I think...'.

Not according to Leibniz's law. If two concepts are the same then they share the same properties. Beliefs and thoughts are distinct; like minds and brains - brains don't wander, but minds do.

-Snuf

I don't believe in Leibniz

[Shadowshocker]

I think this thread would go better in person