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Treefingers wrote:feeling like I'm the only virgin.


You're not. I went through all 4 years of college without getting laid. Plus one of the most intimidatingly intelligent -and- most confident guys I met while there was a remarkably proud and outspoken virgin. Dude didn't give a fuck, literally or figuratively. I learned from his example not to be ashamed of myself.
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Treefingers wrote:feeling like I'm the only virgin.


You're not. I went through all 4 years of college without getting laid. Plus one of the most intimidatingly intelligent -and- most confident guys I met while there was a remarkably proud and outspoken virgin. Dude didn't give a fuck, literally or figuratively. I learned from his example not to be ashamed of myself.


He sounds like a great guy! If only everyone, myself included...could be like that.

Well from since I started this thread, things are all good. It did take a while to get over everything but time is undoubtably a healer. I've not had a relationship since as yet and I'm in no rush, it would take someone special to change that and I think that's how it should be. I'm not exactly living the crazy single lifestyle, but it's great being able to commit more time to family and friends and even to myself.
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You guys rock... ! heartbreak is great for song writing. It is creative impetus. It is a way to reach down inside and try to get what is inside out. They bring out our worst and best.

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machinea wrote:You guys rock... ! heartbreak is great for song writing. It is creative impetus. It is a way to reach down inside and try to get what is inside out. They bring out our worst and best.


So is joy and love, so meh

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They both work in different capacities.. I'm not advocating heartbreak however.

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I definitely draw from heartbreak when I'm working on my music. Tori Amos had this great quote about going into the darkness to draw out creativity: "To be 100% creative, you have to find a way to gain access to the darkest sides of your soul. It’s a sort of a backward path that can lead you out of the hellfire. But to achieve this, you ought to sit down in front of Lucifer, and have a tea with him."

With that said, just ended a relationship of a year with my boyfriend a few weeks ago. I'm devastated, but soldiering through it. The entire time he was living with someone who wasn't treating him in a humanistic fashion at all, but in the end, despite my love for him and all of our friends telling him the guy he's living with is horrible, he chose the other guy.

Interestingly enough, with each relationship end - I learn a lot more about myself and a lot more about the ins and outs of relationships.

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Never thought I would post in this thread, but yeah here I am. Devastated. Being cut from my significant other after 4 years and 4 months.

"Your setting sun, your broken drum, your little drugs - I'll never forget you. Fare thee well."

I just can't believe it. I don't want to believe it. I'm clueless, speechless. I'm full of sadness.

What has become of me, what has become of us. Why does it have to be like this. I've never ever felt like this in my entire life. I just don't know anymore... why has she left me. I do know why but at the very same time I don't.

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Fredd mate, it's probably the worst feeling there is. People who've not been through it simply can't understand. Having someone that you loved with all your heart and with whom you've carefully constructed your life and planned your future, turn around and say they've moved on - it's truly, truly horrible. I won't go into details here (I've probably told the story here before anyway) but my first wife left me and it ripped me heart out. So I do know something of what you're going through, I really do.

I've said it before, but the best advice I can give you right now is 'don't feel bad about feeling bad'. That means, you've got to accept that you're going to feel properly shit for a considerable time. Some people take weeks, others take months, for me - I took around 3 to 4 years to REALLY get over it. The horrible, painful hurting was constant for around a year and then it came in waves.

If that had carried on much longer, I don't think I'd be here now. I found myself seriously thinking about how I could end everything. At least once I went to do it but thankfully I couldn't.

Thankfully, your sub-conscious brain takes over and says 'enough' and then you start to feel better. But even then, it can be a rollercoaster. Some days will be fantastic. You'll feel positive, you'll feel energetic, you'll feel ALIVE! Other days, you'll struggle to crawl out of bed and not cry like a baby. Some days, you'll feel both extremes and not know what's going on!! Sadly, there are NO short cuts. You have to go through this and man does it hurt. And I'm talking about PHYSICAL pain too, not just emotional. My chest felt tight, I lost all desire to eat along with about a stone in weight. It's a marathon, seriously.

But here I am. I've been re-married a year now with someone who truly loves me and who I love even more than the person who nearly killed me. We're planning a family, we're as happy as two people can possibly be and I promise you I'm a far stronger person because of it. Not that I'm saying this makes the pain 'worth it' somehow - of course not. It's horrible. But just to tell you, you can count on this too, the World will keep going on, the sun does get up tomorrow morning and just as surely, YOU will bounce back from this a better and a wiser person. I promise.

But - that's all for another day. Right now, you've got a long and bumpy road ahead. Good luck and if you want to bend someone's ear, I'm sure any of us would be glad to help.

PS - one last word of warning. And I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it's something that I wish someone had told me. Here it comes...... don't be surprised if Neels moves on and 'gets over it' quicker than you do. Seriously, I don't know what it is about the fairer sex, but emotionally they just seem to cope with all this stuff better than us blokes. Wierd isn't it? They amount of times, I've seen this is scary. Long attached couple break up - both are emotional wrecks at first - then bang, out of the blue the woman has a new flame on the go while her old partner is still a total mess. It's hard. But it happens. You won't want to think about it, but just be ready IF it does.
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:( condolences, Fredd bud.

I think my dad is feeling it in a similar way, my mom has split up with him after almost 20 years of being together, for some sketchy dude that is "more exciting". All she did was scream at my dad and leave, it felt so abrupt, and so selfish. I hope my dad realizes he doesn't deserve to feel sad, he should only feel pity. She's breaking off from living at our nice house (which she wants to sell so she can have her own house-- again, selfish) and every utility she's worked for, giving it up so she can get drunk more often and have a fuck buddy. Jeez.

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Mexicola,

Cheers mate. Wow that was an intense piece of text you've just written. I can't express how much I appreciate you doing this even though we never even met in real life. This means a lot to me. And I will definitely read your text a couple of times extra. It's got so much truth in it. You just hit the nail on the head multiple times.

I wish you all the best with your new marriage and it's great to see how you recovered in such an epic manner. I'm staying positive. I will not let myself go down. I know these 4 years were not in vain. She taught me lots of good stuff, we had tons of fun together. She meant the world to me. But apparently the world isn't always enough, some obstacles were too high. Some depths too low. It couldn't go on. She ended it right now for, apparently, the best for the both of us. A meager consolation, but that's next to our memories all I'm left with. Sigh...


Spenner,

His heart will definitely be broken too. Inevitable. What a shitty situation... blegh. It makes me sad to see what some people can do to each other. I hope you and your dad will feel better soon about all of it. It's just not fair sometimes.

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Mexicola you said everything perfectly there, I've been through the same albeit without the marriage etc., took me a couple of years to get over I reckon all in all. Must agree with the physical aspect aswell, the stress of it all triggered anxiety and what seems to be fibromyalgia (which my mum has) which obviously I'll never get rid of but things are kept to a minimum with a positive outlook, which I do have, although I am extremely cautious, almost entirely dismissive about getting into another relationship as a result.

Must agree with the fact that the partner always seems to get over it much quicker aswell, it's easy to see this as being heartless and not caring, but it brought me comfort to think of it as them getting on with things more logically I suppose. As it stands now, I am happy, she is happy, we still stay in touch and this seems to be the best solution, but it took a lot of accepting and getting over to get there.

Fredd I totally feel for you, it really is the worst feeling in the world especially if you weren't expecting it (I guess I was for myself but I was in a bit of denial) but you will get over it eventually. It doesn't happen overnight, it's a very slow progress where you feel a tiny bit better with each day or week or month, but take on the positives. More time to do what YOU want to, more time to spend with friends and family...of which you should keep very close to you now moreso that ever. I became very isolated and just wanted to be on my own for a time, this was probably the period in which I suffered most. All the very best Fredd.
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Hey Fredd, wishing you much strength. Nothing in this world may last forever, but that also includes pain and heartache. Mexicola's words are wise.. yeah, you will bounce back. Lots of new memories out there waiting to be made :]

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Fredd, extending a big hug to you. You're an awesome person and if you need someone to talk to I'm one click away on here or FB. Carry Mexicola's words with you as he basically just spoke the gospel on mourning the loss of a relationship.

...In my neck of the woods, just something I gotta get off my chest:
Today is my ex-boyfriend's birthday. I struggled all week as to whether I should call or text him to wish him a good one or just leave it alone. As much as it pains me to stay quiet, I've chosen to silently wish him the best. It's only been two months since the split and I can't bring myself to uncover a bruise that isn't finished healing. In time.

All of our mutual friends have been so supportive of both of our maturity toward dealing with the split. I'm so lucky to have such great friends. (His boyfriend on the other hand is the epitome of immaturity and refuses to hang out with anyone because they like me. He is the roadblock prohibiting my ex and I from having a speedy recovery and focusing on reverting back to friendship. It's horrid).

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"Your setting sun, your broken drum, your little drugs - I'll never forget you. Fare thee well."



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Mexicola, you sir, have hit it on the head. I am currently in the roller coaster stage of feeling extremely positive and having a few low points. Thank you for this and I hope you and yours live your lives together and beyond.

Fredd-e keep your head up. My only suggestion to add to mexi's text is to go out with friends and just have a good time and appreciate what is in front of you. Maybe try something new. Hell, I studied abroad in the Middle East to learn Arabic and just booked a flight to New Zealand so I can sky dive (mainly for aesthetics) and learn how to surf. I have all the faith in the world that you will be on your feet and like it was said above, if you need anything we will be here.

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Never been in one, never planning on one.


I'd like to avoid any potential pain.
Okay...now...wait for fog machine.

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Broken drum - EXCELLENT break up song.

Mexicola really did a superb job of voicing the process of heartbreak and recovery, which is probably the most difficult thing humans go through emotionally, along with the death of loved ones. I'm a veteran in heartbreak (I've let myself get far too attached far too many times) and it's indeed true that the pain extends to the physical realm as well. I actually developed a heart condition during my last breakup which kept me from doing any strenuous activity for a couple of months. There is a condition where the heart actually builds up scar tissue from a hormone which is released during intense emotional pain. So, in a sense, heartbreak does really break your heart a bit.

Fredd-E, I'm sorry to hear what happened between you and your lady. I would take all of Mexicola's advice, and always remember, you MUST put the past behind you. It might feel "wrong", but the healthiest thing to do is to eventually compartmentalize your relationship as best you can and tuck it away into your subconscious where it can no longer molest you. This will become easier to do over time, and eventually you will--you MUST--completely stop being plagued by the memories. Again, I know it sounds wrong--how could you "forget" someone with whom you shared so much?!--but you're not really FORGETTING her. Those memories will be still accessible whenever you want to dig them out. But try as best you can, over time, to put those memories behind you, let them fade from your consciousness, and move on. Put all your love letters and such in a box, and hide the box somewhere. Remove all reminders of her from your life, as best you can.

When two people are in love, their ego boundaries dissolve and they essentially become one person, to some extent. But now, you must recreate your ego boundaries because they have been shattered. It is a difficult task, and it involves a lot of "acting"--but it is quite doable.

I (and I assume many others) have found that spiritual pursuits are very helpful in dealing with life's tragedies. For one, Zen buddhism has helped me much to live in the present moment, and to realize that the past is truly gone. But find whatever helps you best. And remember, keep your life as busy as possible, set some goals for yourself, and develop yourself. Learn as many new things as possible, travel, and be flexible in your person. Let yourself be shaped by the experiences to come and envision a stronger, maturer you, who now understands life at a deeper level.

Upward and onward, friend.

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I'd like to express my sincere gratitude for the kind words by all of you. I really do appreciate that a lot. It's really wonderful to see and feel your empathy.

This kind of support is really uplifting. I don't know what more I could possibly say but thank you very much.

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@Fredd-E- chin up fella. i'm sure it's not the first time you've had a relationship of some kind break up (i don;t know you so just assuming!)- but there's always the chance it'll be the last (and you have to hope that's the case!).

accept you had a good time together while you were an item, remember what you learned about yourself (or what you want in a partner)... grieve, be depressed, sad... & then eventually move on.

think how much of a richer person you are now having had the relationship you did- must be some things/ knowledge/ whatever you have now you didn;t have before? then enjoy being single for a while before using your new found knowledge for the next eligible lady.

good luck chief!


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Sorry to hear about your trouble FreddE. The responses form Mexicola and others have already said it all and with great elequence and compassion. Hope things get better soon for you.
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