Tomorrow's Harvest key twin secret

[miklatov]

2. Boards Of Canada are the Stanley Kubrick of music . TH Is their Shinning .

Hah.

Haha, nice

[Infans]

A quick hello. I'm new to the forums.
Regarding the topic - maybe someone could post a tutorial on how to merge the mentioned tracks properly (Im not an audio software expert myself), so we could like create twin tracks and enjoy the latest BoC masterpiece to its full potential?
Sure, one could just upload them, but than again I think it's most fair if we do it with albums we bought ourselves.
What do you think guys?

[Mcm L Xix]

A quick hello. I'm new to the forums.
Regarding the topic - maybe someone could post a tutorial on how to merge the mentioned tracks properly (Im not an audio software expert myself), so we could like create twin tracks and enjoy the latest BoC masterpiece to its full potential?
Sure, one could just upload them, but than again I think it's most fair if we do it with albums we bought ourselves.
What do you think guys?

I assume you know how to rip a CD to your HD? If not, let us know.

I could explain how that works in Audition, and other people could explain how it works in other wave editors.

The point is, you first gotta get yourself some wave editor. I like Audition, but it's an older program and I think most people would recommend Audacity.

EDIT removed brandname that turned into a hyperlink.

[zeitgeist]

idk if this has any merit, but that initial kick of bass in Reach for the Dead fits pretty perfectly after the ending of White Cyclosa...

i agree. the first time i listened to the dolores recordings, i played them in that order, and it was fantastic. when i listened to the official album, it sounded out of order. whether that's intentional?..no comment.

[Mcm L Xix]

Did BoC make a statement about a supposed palindromic quality of Tomorrow's Harvest?

So, if there is some supposed 'twoism' to this record, wouldn't it make sense to take the releases order and work from that? So the first song should 'marry' the last, the second should marry the second last etc. Their track numbers should addup to 18 (1+17, 2+16 etc.). Collapse is number 9, in the middle of it, and has no partner. Maybe it can be looped onto itself...

We already have one fitting 'marriage' of tracks: Reach For The Dead and Come to Dust. This combination does indeed obey the rule outlined above: the second track marries the second last one.

I'm not suggesting this is true or even desirable; just that *if* there would be some kind of hidden pairs, it would make sense to follow a certain pattern. At least I think it makes more sense than to just pick two tracks that apparently sound nice together.

We would in that case have these couples (and one single):

01+17 = Gemini + Semena Mertvykh
02+16 = Reach For The Dead + Come To Dust
03+15 = White Cyclosa + New Seeds
04+14 = Jacquard Causeway + Sundown
05+13 = Telepath + Nothing Is Real
06+12 = Cold Earth + Uritual
07+11 = Transmisiones Ferox + Split Your Infinities
08+10 = Sick Times + Palace Posy
09+09 = Collapse

Oh well. I'm way too tired atm to check it out any further (made a long bike trip this morning and it now kicks in). I'll mess with this later to see if it works.

[Ektachrome]

I totally agree with Mcm L Xix. I think that this is the correct sequence. The tracklist effectively Folds or "collapses" in on itself in the middle with the first track matching up with the last and so on. I did a rough mix of this yesterday and it sounds excellent with a real flow to the overall sound. It also ends with Sick Times, Palace Posy (Apocalypse), and Collapse which would fit in with the whole dystopian theme. Could it also be that the overlapping suns in the RFTD video represent tracks overlapping.

[Mcm L Xix]

I totally agree with Mcm L Xix. I think that this is the correct sequence. The tracklist effectively Folds or "collapses" in on itself in the middle with the first track matching up with the last and so on. I did a rough mix of this yesterday and it sounds excellent with a real flow to the overall sound. It also ends with Sick Times, Palace Posy (Apocalypse), and Collapse which would fit in with the whole dystopian theme. Could it also be that the overlapping suns in the RFTD video represent tracks overlapping.

So, you mixed Semena Mertvykh onto Gemini, Come To Dust onto Reach For The Dead, New Seeds onto White Cyclosa etc? I'm gonna try that now (though I have to do some paintwork at my house, grrrr, as sunny days are scarce in the ear we live in).

[Infans]

We would in that case have these couples (and one single):

01+17 = Gemini + Semena Mertvykh
02+16 = Reach For The Dead + Come To Dust
03+15 = White Cyclosa + New Seeds
04+14 = Jacquard Causeway + Sundown
05+13 = Telepath + Nothing Is Real
06+12 = Cold Earth + Uritual
07+11 = Transmisiones Ferox + Split Your Infinities
08+10 = Sick Times + Palace Posy
09+09 = Collapse

It does seem most logical for me as well, however justin from the forum posted his compilation of overlaps a few pages ago and he did it in a different way (based on the structure of the songs?). https://soundcloud.com/ioverflowman - sounds legit.
I think we all agree that tracks can't just be put onto each other but rather merged at a specific point (20 sec till the end of RFTD+Come to Dust as indicated in the video for RFTD was it?). It seems that it has to be done the same way with all the tracks since we don't have another clue.

[Mcm L Xix]

Too be honest I am not even sure the pairs are supposed to be mixed; although that works great fro Reach for the Dead and Come to Dust, and I got it quite nice for Gemini + Semena Mertvykh, I did an overlap of 17 seconds instead of the 20 used for RftD and CtD.... And it doesn't really work at all for White Cylcosa and New Seeds (unless you take like 3 seconds).

I think that, *if* there is something hidden here, it should be formulaic; that is: there must be some rule or pattern to be followed how to overlap the songs. It is also possible that the overlap isn't an integral part of the rearrangment, and just incidentally works nice in some cases (like RftD + CtD)...

Another thing we should try is, to lay the entire album reversed onto itself

[The Telepathic Kid]

man I've been too busy thinking about girls.

But I'm glad you guys are on this. Someone has to be.

well, they don't, but you know.

[Mcm L Xix]

I think we all agree that tracks can't just be put onto each other but rather merged at a specific point (20 sec till the end of RFTD+Come to Dust as indicated in the video for RFTD was it?). It seems that it has to be done the same way with all the tracks since we don't have another clue.

Either the '20 seconds rule' or some grand pattern governing a changing overlap rate, like 20 in this case, 17 in that case, all according to some calculation...

Just because 20 seconds didn't sound very nice for Gemini + Semena Mertvykh and 17 seconds does (at least, better. It's not magic here: it's just noise merging with noise so whether or not it sounds good is largely up to the ear of the beholder, but imho 20 sec sounded harsh while 17 seconds sounded organic.)

[Mcm L Xix]

man I've been too busy thinking about girls.

But I'm glad you guys are on this. Someone has to be.

well, they don't, but you know.

My girl set me up to paint the woodwork at my house, and she also contacted my mother-in-law to get over here and assist me.

Now I feel like that imperial commander overseeing the construction of the Death Star, when Darth vader is about to arrive (although my mother-in-law isn't asthmatic).

[Mcm L Xix]

we don't have another clue.

Also, this whole thing isn't going to reveal anthing. At best, we will have an alternative order for the album, with the tracks-in-pairs nicely melting into eachother. But there will not be a reward other than that, or some indication that we did it correctly or whatever...

Actually that makes it kinda pointless... O, my mther in law's here. Morituri te salutant.

[Ektachrome]

Most of the tracks start to gradually fade out which instinctively tells you when the next track should be overlapped and mixed in. A good example of this is Sundown / Telepath / Nothing is Real / Cold Earth. Those four songs mix together very smoothly. In terms of White Cyclosa into New Seeds it's a different kind of mix where the arpeggio at the end of White Cyclosa if allowed to fade out almost completely is then answered by the staccato opening of New seeds. Some mixes are going to be long crossfades and some will be much shorter.

I do agree that there should be exact times for when the tracks should be mixed together. I was wondering if the number station clues might have something to do with this?

[purgruv]

@Ektachrome

Reading this I was just thinking the same thing, the numbers equal the start points some how, though if I remember the codes I can't see how that would work...

[Mcm L Xix]

Some mixes are going to be long crossfades and some will be much shorter.

I do agree that there should be exact times for when the tracks should be mixed together. I was wondering if the number station clues might have something to do with this?

Maybe so. In fact, I hope so! But for now, I am clueless to that hypothesis, so I now use 18 seconds (1+17, 2+16 etc) as the Universal Overlap for each pair. Works fine sofar, even for White Cyclosa and New Seeds, although that is mainly because WC sounds already so faint in it's last 18 seconds, that the intro of New Seeds simply overrides it.


EDIT.

Done. Some of the results sound nice, some sound random. The experiment didn't give me the idea I found the Philosophers' Stone - or even just a simple easter egg.

[Infans]

I do agree that there should be exact times for when the tracks should be mixed together. I was wondering if the number station clues might have something to do with this?
Maybe so. In fact, I hope so! But for now, I am clueless to that hypothesis, so I now use 18 seconds (1+17, 2+16 etc) as the Universal Overlap for each pair. Works fine sofar, even for White Cyclosa and New Seeds, although that is mainly because WC sounds already so faint in it's last 18 seconds, that the intro of New Seeds simply overrides it.

Very clever. Deffinitely gonna check it out. I wish I could come up with something myself, but my inteligence seems to be kinda limited.
I often wonder if Marcus and Michael visit this forum saying "cold-warm" to themselves while reading how fans try to figure out the puzzle (assuming is one at all).

[Mcm L Xix]

I often wonder if Marcus and Michael visit this forum saying "cold-warm" to themselves while reading how fans try to figure out the puzzle (assuming is one at all).

Maybe. I can also imagine they would be using pejoratives to describe people like us, for not simply playing the record as it is xD

[WeHadNormality]

This thread is mental.


Keep up the good work guys.

[Mcm L Xix]

Okay, after having studied all the audio tracks I established the following:

1. Open a track in the wave editor of your choice.
2. Select it entirely (CTRL+A) and put it in the clipboard (CTRL+C)
3. Invert its entire waveform (in Audition Effects > Invert)
4. Mix the contents of the clipboard into this (In Audition Edit > Mix Paste or CTRL+SHIFT+V)

The track will now be revealed to be a reprise of Magic Window (track 23 of Geogaddi) !!!