Honest Chemtrail Discourse

[d e n]

I'd like to hear people's honest opinion towards the claim that chemical agents are being sprayed at high altitudes from planes for some destructive reason...

I am not into any kind of culture surrounding these observations but I am genuinely interested as I've more than once not believed certain things that were later revealed to be true.

I hope this wouldn't be the case... however, I become extremely skeptical when thinking of facts like the Monsanto Corporation patenting aluminum resistant crops.

let's get some non-bigoted discussion going

[mechanismj]

The general theory that goes hand in hand with chemtrails is that 'the elite' are utilizing them to make us ill, keep us exhausted, and dumb us down so that we are more easily manipulated and they can further implement their agenda of global domination... but this makes little sense as we're all breathing the same air.

I've heard chemtrail believers often say, "Man, they sure are spraying us today!" However, I think that has more to do with altitudes and pressure systems than anything. The overall amount of air traffic in any given area is generally the same, but if it's taking place on a day where there is a lower pressure system in the area and clouds are more likely to form, then you're also more likely to see the contrails of aircraft spread wider and faster. Would I want to get up behind a 747 and breath in the exhaust? Fuck no, but the idea that some days are 'heavier spray days' than others seems laughable as well.

That said, I firmly believe that having as much air traffic as we do globally is causing a multitude of problems with our air and atmosphere, but the idea that it's an evil plot is again laughable. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the global industrialized age we live in.

I'd like to end with a list of patents I have found being tossed around the net like a cheap Vegas whore. Make of them what you will. I haven't done enough homework to really say for certain what any of this means. I have noticed that cloud seeding, weather modification, crop dusting technology (because God knows our corn is much healthier when it's coated in chemicals), and various patents to prevent 'global warming' pop up quite a bit and have so for years.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/an-e ... f-patents/

[Negamuse]

I think it's sad (not as in "pathetic", though it is that too, but literally sad) that people would rather construct a conspiracy theory about an elite group spraying chemicals on people to explain away phenomena that are well known (diet, lifestyle, environment) that they just don't want to take the responsibility for.

[Green Pylon]

I think it's sad (not as in "pathetic", though it is that too, but literally sad) that people would rather construct a conspiracy theory about an elite group spraying chemicals on people to explain away phenomena that are well known (diet, lifestyle, environment) that they just don't want to take the responsibility for.

Isn't a conspiracy the chemtrails are used to fill the ground of chemicals, that produces some different types of transgenic food. "New seeds" of Boards of canada and all concept album of TH is inspired on this.

see ya

[Torn n Frayed]

And the planes that spray that stuff do it in a systematic way across the sky and are not the normal planes you usually see. They fly much higher up in the sky and will often make X's. I've seen them while on vacation in the UK as well which leads me to think they are not beholden to national barriers. I mentioned it to my Step-Dad a few years ago and he said they were doing that even when he was a young kid. I try and point it out to people when I do see it but always get this; I've got no idea WTF it is but I am almost sure it's not for the good of all people on the planet.

[Jonse]

[A_Northern_Soul]

*sigh*

Do we need to have a chat about physics again?

[Jonse]

*sigh*

Do we need to have a chat about physics again?

[mechanismj]

*sigh*

Do we need to have a chat about physics again?

I think we should. Break out the books!

[Magrathea]

And those who spray are automagically immune to the effects of the spraying?

Let's not even start going down that route, that way madness lies. I am soooooo sick of people trying to find excuses to explain why their life/world/thoughts/etc sucks and need to invent chimeras to explain it instead of looking at the root cause square in the face...

humans are soooooo tuned to believe in all sort of crackpot things it's almost scary... ghosts, devils, gods and now pseudo-science...

[d e n]

first of all... it's extremely lame to take the attitude of "people are stupid who believe in these thing" or "don't you know anything about physics?". that is not an effective attitude. although i should have been more detailed in my post.

mechanismj, thank you for providing a proper post.

spraying absolutely happens in the sky at some time...

and even though these conspiracy theories aren't true, like most conspiracy theories aren't true, it is absolutely ridiculous to say that certain entities wouldn't do things that involved spraying material for agricultural or geoengineering projects. so a "chemtrail" can be something that doesn't have to do with a conspiracy theory.

like chemical fertilizers aren't used to purposely harm the population however they do that inadvertently.

[A_Northern_Soul]

^ no-one is saying crops aren't sprayed for agricultural purposes, but have you ever seen a crop duster in action? They are small, fly very low and have spray nozzles covering almost the entire wingspan to ensure maximum coverage.

The contrails that you see streaking the sky are not part of a sinister plot - it is the frozen exhaust gases of perfectly normal aircraft.

If some super-villain - SPECTRE, Decepticons, whoever - wanted to spray the population/ land with anything, occasionally scooshing something out at 30,000ft is probably the least efficient way of doing so.

[d e n]

word. you're right, it isn't logical.

it's crazy how much force conspiracy theories can build off rhetoric.

[mechanismj]

word. you're right, it isn't logical.

it's crazy how much force conspiracy theories can build off rhetoric.

Well, humans have done some pretty fucked up shit. There are only two things that keep me from believing we're purposely being sprayed...

1. Doing such a thing at such high altitudes is highly inefficient, like A_Northern_Soul pointed out.
2. The perpetrators are breathing the same air as the rest of us.

I mean, if it were me, I would just drive a giant tanker truck right down the road and spray people directly with a terrible chemical whilst claiming it had some magical health benefits... oh darn it someone beat me to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmslbUoPLEQ

[zeitgeist]

perhaps this thread would've best functioned with a succinct and agreed upon definition of "conspiracy theory". in my opinion, it is one of the most misunderstood and knee-jerk phrases of all time.

[mechanismj]

perhaps this thread would've best functioned with a succinct and agreed upon definition of "conspiracy theory". in my opinion, it is one of the most misunderstood and knee-jerk phrases of all time.

Totally agreed.

The general consensus is 'nut job who wears a tin foil hat', which is a bullshit fallacy spread mostly by a completely useless media who is nothing more than the mouthpiece for the government and giant corporations.

The very fact that this notion is spread by the residing powers that be should be enough to tell anyone with half a brain that this notion is completely false. Only a system with something to hide would benefit from convincing the average idiot that conspiracy theorists are nut jobs.

So, let's get one thing straight here. Anyone who thinks a conspiracy theory is something concocted by a person who believes the CIA is spying on them through the fillings in their teeth does not have the intelligence to post in this thread.

[saturdayindex]

perhaps this thread would've best functioned with a succinct and agreed upon definition of "conspiracy theory". in my opinion, it is one of the most misunderstood and knee-jerk phrases of all time.

I agree. Sadly, "conspiracy theory" is used as an equivocation for both "totally implausible theories which only nutjobs believe" and "those theories which are highly plausible but it is politically incorrect to believe".

[d e n]

^for sure.

i think the reason I was so influenced by certain popular conspiracies is from this line of thinking:

i know people involved in 'running the country (US)', financially and politically, are capable of doing terrible things --> by passing these conspiracies off as false and wacko i worried i was letting myself get too comfortable and unconscious to certain possibilities.

but then i realized,

take the popular 9/11 conspiracy for example, when you take into account that the conspiracy claims just don't make sense and it was an actual terrorist attack, I realized that it was still an absolute display of the US political influence capability to do terrible things... to make choices that would influence a group to do what they did. I then realized I do not have to worry about becoming unconscious to evil forces because they are still visible no matter what , (despite, in 9/11's case, the attack being so tragic that it is able to veil our responsibility for instigating the act)... which i think was my main reason for subconsciously wanting to give the conspiracies clout.

if that makes any sense, sort of obvious but i was caught up in that for a bit and i feel like a lot of people who become zealous over these theories sort of want to believe them because of this as well

[polar sky]

Chemtrails really aren't a conspiracy anymore since this was released:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002 ... calscience

The U.S. Government does it to control the Weather, which is connected to HAARP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequ ... ch_Program

[Negamuse]

Chemtrails really aren't a conspiracy anymore since this was released:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002 ... calscience

The U.S. Government does it to control the Weather, which is connected to HAARP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequ ... ch_Program

First link seems to be to do with the 60s and 70s, predating chemtrails as the "people misunderstanding what contrails are" phenomenon. Second link doesn't seem to be chemtrail related at all.

Look, people who don't understand science will always come up with daft ideas for things that are easily explainable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8 Especially if they have a latent distrust of big-s Science as a force for governments to spread a line of thinking, uneducated, or (bless 'em) if they're off their Haldol.

Meanwhile, tangibly provable Bad Shit is happening in and to the world that people can actually do something about. I'm not an apologist for governments being complicit in and directly involved in doing Bad Shit, and it's not like governments necessarily have a solid understanding of science either, it's perfectly possible for them to spin figures to try and prove a point (that's why you have peer review and meta-analysis) but if you throw science out the window completely and go chasing rainbows you solve nothing.