The Bleep Advent calendar has something BoC coming soon!

[Stavorius]

I am still curious whether it was BoC's idea, Bleep, or Warp.

[arvy]

i dont think BoC's main objective is "not cash grabbing". i like this band because their music sounds good. im surprised that other people that like their music are upset because Bleep decided to sell an expensive poster. if youre really upset by the actual subject matter, you can just look away. you can enjoy BoC and not have that poster at the same time

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all loved this band because of their music?

If you're not huge fans of BoC, then your reasoning is sound and sorry that I generalized, but if you are a huge fan of BoC like I was just a few hours ago, then you might have understood my position

If BoC was about cash grabbing, they would have released their old material a long time ago. But it looks like they had some principles (do they make sense or not, you be the judge). By releasing this poster, or at least saying it's okay to release it, they have destroyed their integrity in my eyes. What's the purpose of making a poster for an album 2 years old for 60 real, American dollars? And making it limited for 100 people? What's the point of exclusivity, you may ask- the point is simple. To create demand by making people think they're buying a limited product. They've probably spent 5 bucks on each poster and look at how much they've earned in about 2 hours. 4000 quid is two median monthly salaries in the UK. Let's be honest here, they wanted money. Is it something bad? No. But it's very, very hypocritical of them to do that.

BoC always say they want the best quality for their fans. What is that shit then? Old artwork from TH? Good QA by BoC...

I know BoC like to take a piss at people- like when they told us about cataloguing their early stuff for their children LOL- but this is not a joke. They've charged people and extraordinary amount of money (for a poster) for something that you can get in maybe a smaller version when you buy the LP of TH and definitely a smaller version when you buy a CD.

If you want to say I'm taking all of this way too seriously, can you just not say it? Some people are obsessed over books, movies- I'm obsessed over IDM and electronic music overall. If you don't want to read my posts, just skip over them. What would a forum be without negativity? Is this supposed to be one big circlejerk over how great BoC are?

[Decorah]

I'm kinda catching up here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but am I reading that someone is quitting BoC over a fu@king poster?

That might be the weakest thing I've ever heard/seen on this board. Relax, holy s%#t.

[Valotonin]

Oh. Blame Bleep. Don't get fucked off with BoC. They probably don't even know.

[Jango9]

I just really want Hexagon Sun Craft Brew to be a thing now even though I know it shouldn't.

[Nottoolate]

Exclusive art prints (music or not) are almost always expensive tho just saying. Coming from a perspective of an artist, $60 for a print is kind of on the cheaper side. And while it's a print for a band, an artist (or artists/collective ) put work into making it, getting it printed, numbering them, etc. But 'limited' and 'hand numbered' are always signs of high prices, so in context of a band that has sold posters before for cheaper prices, this raise in price for something that is limited is kind of understandable. Not affordable or worth it to me personally, but understandable in context of the whole situation and worth it to some die hard fans or fans that deem it affordable. Like other people have said, they're not forcing you to buy it. It's (was) there if you want it.

Also any money going towards the label and the band is good in my book. While Warp is relatively more popular than a lot of other indie (if you want to call it that) labels, it's still not Virgin records or Capitol records. I think a lot of people overestimate how much money some of these labels and artists make. Which is fine, it's a tough but interesting business to fully understand the economics of.

Just my two cents. Still waiting on Hexagon Sun Craft Brews though. Your move, BOC.

[valleaux]

I think a lot of people overestimate how much money some of these labels and artists make. Which is fine, it's a tough but interesting business to fully understand the economics of.

As a staff member at a radio station, I can confirm that it is an interesting business.

[vballs]

My Poster just arrived, I like it, Its quite thick, almost like card, really good quality as far as posters go. It came with a couple of glow in the dark Warp stickers, both the same but different colours. On the back of the stickers it lists Warps major album releases of 2015 and on the front its just the Warp logo.

Not bothered about the stickers so much haha, more BoC stuff would have been awesome even if just a sticker, im interested to see if everyone got the same.

I love the poster though, a bit expensive but great item in my opinion I love the TH imagery.

EDIT: Actually I just realised, werent they supposed to be individually "Hand numbered"? Im not seeing anything of the sort on mine.

[Jonse]

I'm kinda catching up here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but am I reading that someone is quitting BoC over a fu@king poster?

^^^

I saw none of this and jumped from the first page to the last. I have no idea what the hell happened in between but it certainly isn't worth whatever this thread turned into.

Who all is really taking this so seriously? So there's some overpriced poster...buy it or don't buy it. Oh, they're limited? Same shit as the kaleidoscopes. Blame Bleep? Blame BoC? Why does anyone need to be blamed for a poster? Do people feel like there's some implication of "you MUST buy this poster" or are we all just so bored that we've nothing better to rant about? BoC "always say they want the best for their fans" - what? I'm pretty sure BoC says about three words per decade via encrypted emails/telegram in a bunker with dial-up somewhere just for the fuck of it. It's not like they go touring and rant on stage about the price of something in a specific country or take interviews left and right so they can work in some critique about the industry. No offense to anyone here intended when I say that they're probably not concerned about this at all.

I'm not going to assume they have any feelings about this merch one way or the other and I'm not going to blame anyone either. Neither Bleep or BoC are holding a gun to my head insisting that I purchase a goddamn poster.

[tripone]

My Poster just arrived, I like it, Its quite thick, almost like card, really good quality as far as posters go. It came with a couple of glow in the dark Warp stickers, both the same but different colours. On the back of the stickers it lists Warps major album releases of 2015 and on the front its just the Warp logo.

Not bothered about the stickers so much haha, more BoC stuff would have been awesome even if just a sticker, im interested to see if everyone got the same.

I love the poster though, a bit expensive but great item in my opinion I love the TH imagery.

EDIT: Actually I just realised, werent they supposed to be individually "Hand numbered"? Im not seeing anything of the sort on mine.

In regards to the number, check the back corner. A bit unconventional, but its there.

And while I'm here... I've been a collector of music show posters & art prints for some time, and the price of this was in my opinion pretty much on point due to the limited nature of it. In my case, getting prints like this has allowed me to get pieces by artists who I otherwise would never be able to afford an original, and in the case of this one, get the first poster by one of my favorite bands that has been made for this specific purpose.

This is a band that doesn't tour or play live at all, and I often wonder how they even make ends meet in the digital age. So I'm more than happy to support them in any way possible so that they can continue writing music. Hell, I'd even shoot them a donation for nothing every once in a while if they had a link on their website.

With that said, whoever packed these things for shipping treated mine like it was a going to a record shop to hang in the window. First, it was rolled from the long side (weird), and they didn't use any blank paper inside the poster to keep the edge from marking the middle. This created a very noticeable line through the lovely matte finish of the print all the way down, which could have been avoided. Then they balled up a piece of tissue paper in the end of the tube, banging up the corner of the print pretty bad. Not a good look on that front, but I'm hoping they'll rectify the situation.

Overall, very nice print that I'm looking forward to framing and hanging in my studio...

[warphead]

Ahhh Christmas the time of peace and goodwill to all men. Unless your a BOC fan where it's about the lucky 100 who have money to burn.

I know this isn't anything to do with Mike and Marcus but I think Bleep ought to ashamed of themselves. I know in the whole scheme of things on planet earth it's nothing to get upset about but something about this has got my goat. What was it for? Raise some coffers for their Christmas shindig?

It stinks a little. In fact it stinks a lot.

[tripone]

Ahhh Christmas the time of peace and goodwill to all men. Unless your a BOC fan where it's about the lucky 100 who have money to burn.

I know this isn't anything to do with Mike and Marcus but I think Bleep ought to ashamed of themselves. I know in the whole scheme of things on planet earth it's nothing to get upset about but something about this has got my goat. What was it for? Raise some coffers for their Christmas shindig?

It stinks a little. In fact it stinks a lot.

Do you really think this has nothing to do with the band? Of course they'll be compensated for this. Any non-touring band in their position I'd think would be receiving the majority of the compensation from a sale like this. But why is that so wrong?

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe they need a new console for their studio (or something along those lines), and asked the label to come up with a way to make a quick $5k? It's not like they can hit the road like most bands and make some gig money. A limited edition anything from BOC is guaranteed to sell out quick, unlike a new tee design.

Why do you so many of you guys feel that its a bad thing for BOC to earn some money for their work? You can tell how much time goes into their music just by listening to it, so its not like they can drop a new album every year. The represses/posters/etc are helping the wheels turn, and keeping their families fed. And I say this as someone who has released a few records myself.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I used to be on the other side as well. Then I realized money can be a wonderful thing when put in the right hands, especially creative ones.

[warphead]

Ahhh Christmas the time of peace and goodwill to all men. Unless your a BOC fan where it's about the lucky 100 who have money to burn.

I know this isn't anything to do with Mike and Marcus but I think Bleep ought to ashamed of themselves. I know in the whole scheme of things on planet earth it's nothing to get upset about but something about this has got my goat. What was it for? Raise some coffers for their Christmas shindig?

It stinks a little. In fact it stinks a lot.

Do you really think this has nothing to do with the band? Of course they'll be compensated for this. Any non-touring band in their position I'd think would be receiving the majority of the compensation from a sale like this. But why is that so wrong?

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe they need a new console for their studio (or something along those lines), and asked the label to come up with a way to make a quick $5k? It's not like they can hit the road like most bands and make some gig money. A limited edition anything from BOC is guaranteed to sell out quick, unlike a new tee design.

Why do you so many of you guys feel that its a bad thing for BOC to earn some money for their work? You can tell how much time goes into their music just by listening to it, so its not like they can drop a new album every year. The represses/posters/etc are helping the wheels turn, and keeping their families fed. And I say this as someone who has released a few records myself.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I used to be on the other side as well. Then I realized money can be a wonderful thing when put in the right hands, especially creative ones.

I say it has nothing to do with the band because I'm trying to convince myself and hope they wouldn't pull such a stunt.

I really feel like tearing into a lot of what you've just said, but its Saturday and I'm chilling out. Some of what you've just said in defence of them is astounding.

[tripone]

I say it has nothing to do with the band because I'm trying to convince myself and hope they wouldn't pull such a stunt.

I really feel like tearing into a lot of what you've just said, but its Saturday and I'm chilling out. Some of what you've just said in defence of them is astounding.

The only issue here is the religion you've built around the band, leading to the standards you've set for them. In other words you've made it about you.

Feel free to tear away if you feel you should. I'm game for the conversation as long as it is kept civil.

[Mexicola]

That last word is key. Civil. We could add respectful too. Lets keep those two words in mind please everyone. Watching with interest..

[warphead]

Lol. Mate I'm 39 years old, I couldn't give a monkeys about 'building a religion around them'. Hahah. Lets just leave it there, I got better things to do. Have a nice weekend.

[tripone]

Lol. Mate I'm 39 years old, I couldn't give a monkeys about 'building a religion around them'. Hahah. Lets just leave it there, I got better things to do. Have a nice weekend.

Cheers, hope you have a great weekend as well.

[warphead]

[Mexicola]

Hurrah! Well played.

[Jonse]

I seriously don't get this other than false hype = disappointment. Are half the people in this thread unfamiliar with the nature of die-hard collecting?

I'm not defending or condemning this thing. I'm just a little stunned at the reactions. With all the problems plaguing the world, all the daily hurdles I can imagine being pretty universal...this is somehow a huge deal to the point where it warrants argument? Really? Tool recently decided to sell blankets limited to 3 total made out of recycled old tour shirts for something like $250. Their worth? Whatever anybody with enough of an obsession/love of that band and the money to spare feels they're worth. Assuming Bleep and Warp pay BoC, this is the same thing. It's a poster with an inflated price because it's limited to 100. I can't for the life of me understand the logic of anyone stating they don't care about the "lame" or "weak" poster for sale they don't plan to buy being upset about it. The implication seems to be "BoC should never allow merchandise to be sold at a price beyond whatever is subjectively considered worth it to me."

Techboy said something like "40 quid haha fuck off" however many pages back. He then (presumably) went on with his life. I'm quite shocked how that's NOT nearly every response from anyone with financial priorities.