Heysanna Hosanna

[mechanismj]

I was listening to this a minute ago and I noticed something interesting. Before it goes into the tune, there's a little drum loop and children laughing. This is also at the end before the mp3 officially ends. Also, when mp3 itself both starts and ends, there appears to be a click sound, as if someone was pressing play and then pressing stop from another machine.

Thinking outside the box here, because of the way the recording itself sounds, and becuase of the stuff going on at the beginning and end, it leads me to believe that Heysanna Hosanna was recorded over something else on another cassette, and someone dubbed Heysanna from that cassette onto the official Old Tunes 2 tape... incidentally leaving whatever it was they originally recorded over at the beginning and end of the track... you guys follow me?

I wonder if I'm correct in assuming this... and if I am, I wonder what it was they recorded over...

[wwbjd]

I was on a trip for a while believing that a LOT of their music is actually overdubbed on to older music (or tv shows, etc), much like their earlier stuff and the Hell Interface songs we know.

I swear if you listen carefully to a lot of songs on their major releases that you can hear entire tracks in the background.. and beyond that, it made me think they were actually using a VCR for recording (recording onto VHS) as there's something about the sound and the way the tracking wheel on an old VCR would be conducive to manually modifying pitch ever so slightly.

[Cupz]

*connects his VCR to his computer*

[mechanismj]

I was on a trip for a while believing that a LOT of their music is actually overdubbed on to older music (or tv shows, etc), much like their earlier stuff and the Hell Interface songs we know.

I swear if you listen carefully to a lot of songs on their major releases that you can hear entire tracks in the background.. and beyond that, it made me think they were actually using a VCR for recording (recording onto VHS) as there's something about the sound and the way the tracking wheel on an old VCR would be conducive to manually modifying pitch ever so slightly.

Yeah. I get the same vibe as well. Like, they're totally re-using a lot of old material to assemble new tracks.

For some reason the whole opening segment of Hey Saturday Sun, before the guitars kick in, totally gives me that vibe. That's one of the few parts of their released catalog that reminds me alot of something from the Old Tunes tapes. Though I cannot place what it is. It just sounds... older.

[Cupz]

They must have a time machine!

[d3v3l]

The sound in the beginning of Heysanna Hosanna just sounds like part of the drum kit they are using. Also towards the end it sounds like a record needle being lifted off or put on but at the part of the record where nothing is etched. - meaning it was put there intentionally. At least that is what I hear.

This is what you are referring to correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJNj4VazE4

[mechanismj]

The sound in the beginning of Heysanna Hosanna just sounds like part of the drum kit they are using. Also towards the end it sounds like a record needle being lifted off or put on but at the part of the record where nothing is etched. - meaning it was put there intentionally. At least that is what I hear.

This is what you are referring to correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJNj4VazE4

Yes, minus the incredibly frightening clown!

It has been over 10 years since I even thought of this, honestly. What I am hearing now, in very particular order...

- Track starts with a pop
- Kid says something like 'On Organ'
- Drum machine starts and then quickly fades out almost like it was an accident that it played. Perhaps the built in percussion that
some old organs had?
- Melody plays
- Drum machine kicks in again and Kid laughs. While this is happening it sounds like someone is flipping a cassette.
- A sudden pop. Simultaneously the kid and drum machine cut out and the little 'Gary' bit starts.

I am thinking it is a recording from when they were kids. They were mucking about with cassettes and recording random things.

[Fireal420]

The sound in the beginning of Heysanna Hosanna just sounds like part of the drum kit they are using. Also towards the end it sounds like a record needle being lifted off or put on but at the part of the record where nothing is etched. - meaning it was put there intentionally. At least that is what I hear.

This is what you are referring to correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJNj4VazE4

Yes, minus the incredibly frightening clown!

It has been over 10 years since I even thought of this, honestly. What I am hearing now, in very particular order...

- Track starts with a pop
- Kid says something like 'On Organ'
- Drum machine starts and then quickly fades out almost like it was an accident that it played. Perhaps the built in percussion that
some old organs had?
- Melody plays
- Drum machine kicks in again and Kid laughs. While this is happening it sounds like someone is flipping a cassette.
- A sudden pop. Simultaneously the kid and drum machine cut out and the little 'Gary' bit starts.

I am thinking it is a recording from when they were kids. They were mucking about with cassettes and recording random things.

its awesome how this thread was made over 10 years ago, and as i scroll down through the posts, you get to see the original user who made this thread, post their opinion on the subject again over 10 years later.

its mesmerizing how an internet forum can be like a time capsule, or a keepsake, for previous thoughts and memories.

[egbdf]

The sound in the beginning of Heysanna Hosanna just sounds like part of the drum kit they are using. Also towards the end it sounds like a record needle being lifted off or put on but at the part of the record where nothing is etched. - meaning it was put there intentionally. At least that is what I hear.

This is what you are referring to correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJNj4VazE4

Yes, minus the incredibly frightening clown!

It has been over 10 years since I even thought of this, honestly. What I am hearing now, in very particular order...

- Track starts with a pop
- Kid says something like 'On Organ'
- Drum machine starts and then quickly fades out almost like it was an accident that it played. Perhaps the built in percussion that
some old organs had?
- Melody plays
- Drum machine kicks in again and Kid laughs. While this is happening it sounds like someone is flipping a cassette.
- A sudden pop. Simultaneously the kid and drum machine cut out and the little 'Gary' bit starts.

I am thinking it is a recording from when they were kids. They were mucking about with cassettes and recording random things.

its awesome how this thread was made over 10 years ago, and as i scroll down through the posts, you get to see the original user who made this thread, post their opinion on the subject again over 10 years later.

its mesmerizing how an internet forum can be like a time capsule, or a keepsake, for previous thoughts and memories.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad this community stays alive even in the darkness between releases.

[ryetronics]

Did anyone watch the live theatrical performance of Jesus Christ Superstar on NBC last week? It was phenomenal. That musical got me through some really heavy shit when I was a teenager (parent dying) and was a formative influence on my musical tastes to this day. While watching I couldn't help but think the boys were watching too, due to this song alone.

[Opothecary]

Did anyone watch the live theatrical performance of Jesus Christ Superstar on NBC last week? It was phenomenal. That musical got me through some really heavy shit when I was a teenager (parent dying) and was a formative influence on my musical tastes to this day. While watching I couldn't help but think the boys were watching too, due to this song alone.

I caught a few minutes of it. Pretty sure it was mentioned in one of their interviews that Jesus Christ Superstar was one of Marcus' favorites from way back.

[GeoDose]

its awesome how this thread was made over 10 years ago, and as i scroll down through the posts, you get to see the original user who made this thread, post their opinion on the subject again over 10 years later.

its mesmerizing how an internet forum can be like a time capsule, or a keepsake, for previous thoughts and memories.

That is pretty remarkable! I like to think the brothers would appreciate this as well.

[747Music]

I think it's a part of the song as intended. When I tape something over top of a previous recording on cassette, I can still hear traces throughout the song as long as those frequencies are not overpowered by the replacement recording. The percussion seems prominent enough that you should hear traces in at least parts of the song. The giveaway for me, that they intentionally had those drums as and intro/outro, is that at the end you can hear the drums come back during the last note of the main melody. It comes in part way while that last note is occupying the same frequency space. It would've been there the whole note if it was recorded behind already.

I'm pretty confident in saying I believe they used a multi-track tape recorder, a VCR and a microphone to add a percussive intro and outro to the synth melody.

[747Music]

Here is an example of what I'm talking about:
https://soundcloud.com/747music-1/anvil ... -a/s-aqZ6L

The fluttery string sounding synth that sounds far away that you can hear at the beginning and also around 40s in was recorded previously onto the tape. The setting while recording the new synths over top was not to mix, but to replace as a recording. The result was unintentional, but I kept it as I like how it sounds better than the clean recording.

Anyways, if you listen closely, you can hear those fluttery synths in the mix at around 1:00-1:05 and a few other spots because they aren't being overpowered at that time.

[mechanismj]

Ominous. I like it.

This is one classic effect that makes tapes so great. Something that gave me chills as a kid when I did not understand what was actually occurring.

I did an intentional take on this concept for my album Release.

Upon finalizing both sides of the tape, I re-recorded them live in a room. While doing this I opened the window to capture cars driving by, turned appliances on and off, said random nonsense while walking in and out of the room, let the cat have a meow session, etc.

Finally, I layered the live recording of Side 1, backwards, underneath Side 2 and vice versa. Sadly I lost more of the detail than I intended when I buried the cassette in the ground. But it is there if you crank up the volume.

As far as this Boards track goes we can only speculate on age and intention... but that is certainly where a lot of the fun is.

[747Music]

Fantastic stuff, man!

It's been far too long since I sat down and listened to some Josh Walund treats for my ears.

Playing and experimenting with tape has been an absolute blast over the past while for me. Good idea to bury it in the ground. Let the dirt and moisture mess up the tape and the resulting sound you got was awesome with some really cool textures.

When the days are a bit longer than they are now, I'm gonna start leaving the raw tape, out of the casing and unrolled, hanging up in the sun and leaving it there all summer. Perhaps I'll hang up three or four of the same recording and take down 1 after every month to document how much change occurs each month so I can get a more planned/desired effect. Also, when I go camping this summer, I will leave tape attached to something solid, but left in the river or lake that I'm at for a day or two.

Speculating on BoC's sounds and then experimenting has taught me so much and has been a blast when either successful or stumbled on something else that sounds cool. Makes me feel just fine that they haven't given away and tricks and tips. Discovering these things by ourselves is half the fun.

[mechanismj]

Fantastic stuff, man!

It's been far too long since I sat down and listened to some Josh Walund treats for my ears.

Playing and experimenting with tape has been an absolute blast over the past while for me. Good idea to bury it in the ground. Let the dirt and moisture mess up the tape and the resulting sound you got was awesome with some really cool textures.

When the days are a bit longer than they are now, I'm gonna start leaving the raw tape, out of the casing and unrolled, hanging up in the sun and leaving it there all summer. Perhaps I'll hang up three or four of the same recording and take down 1 after every month to document how much change occurs each month so I can get a more planned/desired effect. Also, when I go camping this summer, I will leave tape attached to something solid, but left in the river or lake that I'm at for a day or two.

Speculating on BoC's sounds and then experimenting has taught me so much and has been a blast when either successful or stumbled on something else that sounds cool. Makes me feel just fine that they haven't given away and tricks and tips. Discovering these things by ourselves is half the fun.

I have this great visual in my head now. It is a nice sunny day out and you are in the backyard hanging long gobs of damp cassette to dry on the ol' clothesline!

I think you have a good idea. You can study what different environments will do to the tape.