01. / 02. Introit / Prophecy At 1420 MHz

[Quiller]

Math and music both seems to be an invention and a discovery.

I'm more inclined to think math was a discovery as things like the Pythagorean Theorem for example were known to several different ancient civilizations with no known cultural transmission.

[Scories]

I am by no means an expert in this field, but I understand that nature follows predictable patterns, although there are different systems for measuring/calculating them.
It seems, for example, that the Ethiopian mathematical model served as the basis for computer processors, as it does not produce decimals.

[Quiller]

I am by no means an expert in this field, but I understand that nature follows predictable patterns, although there are different systems for measuring/calculating them.
It seems, for example, that the Ethiopian mathematical model served as the basis for computer processors, as it does not produce decimals.

Yeah I think the symbolic language describing it has variation across cultures. Binary was formalized by Leibniz in the 1600s but it appears in many earlier mathematics traditions.

[Corvix]

Dear Quiller if I understand correctly this "it was known by ancient civilizations so it must be discovered" principle :
if it's independantly "invented" then it's just discovered. I agree but there are also examples of discoveries you can point to, that can't be checked by your principle.

The current content of mathematics is extremely intertwined with the civilization that took over.

Many mathematicians believe in Descartes.
Leibniz is of astonishing influence, it's hard to exxagerate his importance.
Poincaré and much after him were Kantian.

As you can see there is a lot of mathematical gurus.

You can go very far with structures in your mind.
Just starting from Numbers, triangles and inventing things... You can prove many geometric truths like that.
You discover that there are two different things and then there can be three, etc. . boom numbers. You see three lines in generic position (intersecting at 3 points) boom triangles.

However advances in geometry have more than just starting from number and the ideas of static figures in the plane or in space + a bunch of gurus.
Say explaining spacetime motion or simply the flow of a fluid.
The mathematical apparatus needed for that (some of it named after an ancient symbol called nabla meaning "Harp")
doesn't draw from pure speculation, this is the opposite.

I don't thinkt there is any mathematical theory that doesn't draw from nature, if you dig deep. Even information. It literally builds on thermodynamical experiments done in the 19th century. Of course it has come to a state of synthesis so everything is inter-related, like every part of human culture.

One should also factor in
Industrial development, fulfilling of human needs.
It has a big influence in mathematics. Euler worked for the navy and from there came differential geometry.
He tried to figure out life in the city (what bridges to walk on) and from there came topology and graph theory.
Elliptic integrals were introduced to solve astronomy questions.

[egbdf]

Has anyone noticed that the guitar melody has a slightly different rhythm when it comes back for two more repeats later in the tune?

[Den]

Has anyone noticed that the guitar melody has a slightly different rhythm when it comes back for two more repeats later in the tune?

Yes, played straighter the second time. I love how few notes are in the entirety of the lead melody.

[Seat of Consciousness]

Has anyone noticed that the guitar melody has a slightly different rhythm when it comes back for two more repeats later in the tune?

Pretty much everything in the track morphs over a couple of repetitions. I've been listening to it nonstop ever since it came out and it feels like every second there's something new. A living, breathing track that is constantly shifting into something new. Just incredible

[WATER_CAN-_-]

mathematicians
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[Scories]

I don’t believe BoC’s goal is to take a stance on the question of God’s existence or the true nature of Jesus. I dare say they are modest enough not to consider themselves qualified to impose one position or another on their listeners. They seem primarily interested in how institutions of authority use these concepts to control the massses. Judging Christ based on what state religions have done with his message is just as ridiculous as judging Marx based on Stalin’s actions.

[Wildfire]

I don’t believe BoC’s goal is to take a stance on the question of God’s existence or the true nature of Jesus. I dare say they are modest enough not to consider themselves qualified to impose one position or another on their listeners. They seem primarily interested in how institutions of authority use these concepts to control the massses. Judging Christ based on what state religions have done with his message is just as ridiculous as judging Marx based on Stalin’s actions.

Agreed. This is a good watch - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... armageddon

[PrimusSucksOnThis]

Not sure if this is the first time this has been discussed; is Introit BoC's first use of an odd time signature outright? It's a 10-note sequence, and with the conga rhythm, I would notate it in 10/8. Perhaps a significant number problem lies within this simple sequence?

[Coelioxys]

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Twoism: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Amo Bishop Roden: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Zoetrope: 11/8
Sunshine Recorder: 10/4
Julie and Candy: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
The Beach at Redpoint: 10/4
Alpha and Omega: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
The Devil is in the Details: 30/8
A is to B as B is to C: 9/8
Chromakey Dreamcoat: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Peacock Tail: 7 * 4/4 = 28/4
Dayvan Cowboy: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
A Moment of Clarity: 3/1
84 Pontiac Dream: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Oscar See Through Red Eye: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Ataronchronon: 9/8
Slow This Bird Down: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Tears from the Compound Eye: 10/4
Left Side Drive: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Skyliner: 10 * 4/4 = 40/4
White Cyclosa: 9 * 4/4 = 36/4
Jacquard Causeway: 3/4
Telepath: 12/4
Cold Earth: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Transmissions Ferox: 5/8 & 9/8
Sick Times: 20 * 4/4 = 80/4
Collapse: 5/4
Palace Posy: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Split Your Infinities: 12 * 4/4 = 48/4
Uritual: 12/8
Nothing is Real: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Introit: 5/4
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[Den]

Cool way to describe those meters - they’re mostly still in 4, just arranged oddly.

[PrimusSucksOnThis]

…
Twoism: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Amo Bishop Roden: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Zoetrope: 11/8
Sunshine Recorder: 10/4
Julie and Candy: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
The Beach at Redpoint: 10/4
Alpha and Omega: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
The Devil is in the Details: 30/8
A is to B as B is to C: 9/8
Chromakey Dreamcoat: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Peacock Tail: 7 * 4/4 = 28/4
Dayvan Cowboy: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
A Moment of Clarity: 3/1
84 Pontiac Dream: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Oscar See Through Red Eye: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Ataronchronon: 9/8
Slow This Bird Down: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Tears from the Compound Eye: 10/4
Left Side Drive: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Skyliner: 10 * 4/4 = 40/4
White Cyclosa: 9 * 4/4 = 36/4
Jacquard Causeway: 3/4
Telepath: 12/4
Cold Earth: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Transmissions Ferox: 5/8 & 9/8
Sick Times: 20 * 4/4 = 80/4
Collapse: 5/4
Palace Posy: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Split Your Infinities: 12 * 4/4 = 48/4
Uritual: 12/8
Nothing is Real: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Introit: 5/4
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I'm not counting triple meters or compound in my definition of odd time signature, but I was unaware of some of these. Thanks for your list.

[DFD21]

Most of those would not be considered odd time signatures; in Western music 2,3,4 to the bar and compound time (6/8, 9/8, 12/8) are standard, with the number of bars in a chorus not counted. I should check some of the suggestions. I agree that BOC use chord sequences in "odd" lengths (5 bars instead of the customary 8 or 12), one of my favourites being Slow This Bird Down which is 5 bars long.

[Scories]

The 5/8 time signature is characteristic of Turkish music.
Incidentally, Turkey (then known as Asia Minor) has also been the cradle of Christianity (before it became politicized).

[Den]

It feels like the entire album may mimic the cadence of a mixtape where different sections are collaged together throughout each track.

[skunkman]

I think track #6 Somewhere Right Now In The Future is available on slsk, user tamarack. I didn't trust it at first but the track duration is on point and the stereo width is way higher than typical fakes

[WATER_CAN-_-]

Jesus, was it you indeed, to flirt unkindly with my greed,
promising eternal life, when you knew it was not right,
when you knew that what I'd need was willingness and comfort there?

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[donacidae]

I think track #6 Somewhere Right Now In The Future is available on slsk, user tamarack. I didn't trust it at first but the track duration is on point and the stereo width is way higher than typical fakes

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