04. Age Of Capricorn

[rd1994]

I believe it's been found hasn't it?
https://youtu.be/ZMN4lepxjwg?si=gJEuZPoNs3kD0bA9

yeah you're right, but still I (personally) am unsure if it just got edited immensely (which they are known to do) or if its someone else entirely.

[qualia]

That John Hogue source has since been removed from WhoSampled. Not that that necessarily means it's not the source, but until I see a recreation of Age of Capricorn using it, I'm not convinced. Seems likely it's either another recording of Hogue or a different person talking about the same conspiracy theory. (Though it does seem like Hogue was the main person responsible for it.)

[Ectonaut]

I just realized today that there is more going on in terms of voices than the three sample loops (U-S…, ”just for once”, ”I have sinned”. There are for example gasp and sigh sounds from c. 12 second and throughout the entire track, much like in Oneofthrix’s ’Andro’ track, but also barely audible stuff behind the first ’U-S..’, kind of sounding let an upset female voice, kind of like in the 1 second to Alpha and Omega. Anyone else hearing this?

[ryetronics]

The singing in the background of the 2nd half of the track. You can hear the snippet in the first few seconds. Sounds legit to me

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Found by someone who is a Patreon supporter of ixi!

[Coelioxys]

USA MA

[steeldancer-x]

Just wanted to say that this is my new devotional. That is all

[WATER_CAN-_-]

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[Cupz]

Is "Mabus" intended as a connected part of the prayer? "in your name I pray this, Mabus".

[TaoTapeTao]

Is "Mabus" intended as a connected part of the prayer? "in your name I pray this, Mabus".

I think so, isn't Mabus supposed to be the third and final version of the antichrist? I'm sure it's not totally specific in terms of BoC's decision to use the evocation in the track, but I had the notion that it was some sort of initiation of the antichrist as someway to cause some sort of change. Or maybe welcoming in chaos and destruction, which seems to be part of the religious themes of Inferno, at least.

[Ectonaut]

Is "Mabus" intended as a connected part of the prayer? "in your name I pray this, Mabus".

I think so, isn't Mabus supposed to be the third and final version of the antichrist? I'm sure it's not totally specific in terms of BoC's decision to use the evocation in the track, but I had the notion that it was some sort of initiation of the antichrist as someway to cause some sort of change. Or maybe welcoming in chaos and destruction, which seems to be part of the religious themes of Inferno, at least.

Capricornus wasn’t originally a Christian symbol at all, but part of a much older cosmological and religious framework. Seen through that lens, the Christian prayer takes on a different character. It stops being a prayer directed at a clearly defined Christian God and instead becomes part of a much older symbolic landscape where the boundaries between saviour and adversary, divine and demonic, become blurred.

In that context, the prayer sound like a prayer to the god of sin itself - not because the words change, but because the framework around them does. The result is a strange inversion where Christ and Antichrist begin to look less like opposites and more like reflections of the same underlying archetype.

Hence I think all references to christ and antichrist in this track are left deliberately ambiguous.

[GeoDose]

Guys, I might have found something here!

The repeating sound that plays between 0:08 and 0:14 (and then continues throughout the track) MIGHT be tires scraping on pavement, followed by a car crash impact! With some reverb added.

Ironically, when listening on high volume on my car stereo is when I first noticed this.

This would make YET ANOTHER car crash reference on Inferno. That's a pattern!!

[luminousdusk]

The spelling voice sounds just like Terrance Mckenna

[noveltywave]

I am not Christian. Can someone explain all the mumbo jumbo to me? What is he on about “you bore my sin” “you shed your blood for me to cleanse me” “i receive you and your shed blood”? How does Jesus dying on the cross 2000 years ago cleanse this preacher with his blood now in 2026 (or whenever the sample is from)? Why would BOC choose this sample?


(Sits back, eats popcorn)

[Negamuse]

Also not a Christian but sure, why not

Jesus dying on the cross was a sacrifice, the torture and killing of a god, supposed to pay for whatever sins mankind committed. The idea was the sacrifice was so great the cost of your own sins was already paid as long as you tried to live your life by his teachings.

The devil is in the details: "following him" means living your life according to the testament he preached, which explicitly swept away a lot of the old testament writing and replaced it with "do into others" type rules of tolerance, kindness and living humbly.

A bunch of Christians completely ignore that and live in greed and hypocrisy, including the disgraced preacher begging for forgiveness insincerely and publicly. Using the death of God as an excuse to sin without punishment, all while using old testament rules taken out of context to persecute other humans.

Basically "I can live my life doing whatever the hell I want and being an asshole to everyone I think I'm better than, and it's all cool when I get caught because I can do this public display of self flagellation and I'm forgiven". Completely anti-Christian behaviour, if we're keeping score.

One of the album themes is about the gap between what a belief in a god demands of you and how you end up demonstrating that. Irrespective of the actual religion, but we live in the global west and we put our preachers on television where they're easy to sample.

[jamesyboyy]

The whole basis of Christianity is that god sacrificed his son to absolve humans of their 'original sin' (eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge I think?). Before this, the default state of a human being was fallen and damned (meaning babies die and go to hell). Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is a ticket to heaven.

The song below (The Sacred Linament of Judgement by Lingua Ignota) illustrates what Negamuse is describing beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPyRoYBYG1w

Also, AOC is probably my number one song on this album. Or Memory Death.

[Wildfire]

The whole basis of Christianity is that god sacrificed his son to absolve humans of their 'original sin' (eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge I think?). Before this, the default state of a human being was fallen and damned (meaning babies die and go to hell). Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is a ticket to heaven.

So literally everyone, good people, bad people, babies that were born before Christianity automatically went to hell? But God designed it that way?

[jamesyboyy]

The whole basis of Christianity is that god sacrificed his son to absolve humans of their 'original sin' (eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge I think?). Before this, the default state of a human being was fallen and damned (meaning babies die and go to hell). Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is a ticket to heaven.

So literally everyone, good people, bad people, babies that were born before Christianity automatically went to hell? But God designed it that way?

Yeah? I mean, they didn't, obviously, but I think that was the understanding. Maybe you could be pious enough to change it, I'm not too sure.

[Wildfire]

The whole basis of Christianity is that god sacrificed his son to absolve humans of their 'original sin' (eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge I think?). Before this, the default state of a human being was fallen and damned (meaning babies die and go to hell). Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is a ticket to heaven.

So literally everyone, good people, bad people, babies that were born before Christianity automatically went to hell? But God designed it that way?

Yeah? I mean, they didn't, obviously, but I think that was the understanding. Maybe you could be pious enough to change it, I'm not too sure.

It's just crazy that that's what people truly believe, my wife's entire family believe just that. I asked my brother in law once, so let me get this straight, I can be an incredibly good person my entire life but if I'm not a believer before I die. I'll burn in hell for eternity? But if I was a murderer/pedophile my entire life but just before death I turn to christianity to absolve my sins and ask for forgiveness, I'll get into heaven no problem? The answer is yes.

[magrathea_ultima]

As my man Neil deGrasse Tyson said: If there is a god, it is either not all powerful, or not all good.

As my other man Christopher Hitchens said: "Faith is the surrender of the mind; it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals."

I think we need a thread about the topic of religions specifically since it is quite pervasive in Inferno.

[noveltywave]

Thanks for explanations, I understand a bit better now although it is still hard to wrap my head around some of it!

It’s one of my favourite tracks on the album, and I live the aesthetic, surface level sound of when the prayer comes in, the tone of the voice and everything. But then I listen to the actual words and I am like “What the —— is he on about?!”

“You shed your blood for me. To cleanse me.” It sounds so odd to hear. Like, how does these images get into someones head that they believe it so strongly? The blood shed by someone else crucifixtion 2000 years ago will “cleanse” your sins now. Whaaaat.

The juxtaposition with the other two samples are so interesting. We have someone trying to tie Osama Bin Laden to, apparently as Google and this thread tells me, the third antichrist, and then there is a chant in the background about waiting night and day, longing to see, just once, their god, saviour what have you. And then apparantly it is mixed with garbled samples from The Exorcist?

I wonder a few things:

1. Is this just BOC messing around having a joke like on some of the early Old Tunes tracks?

2. Did they try out various different samples on this track over the years until they got one that sounded right (ie. building around aesthetics “hey, this sound cool, yeah I like the sound of this”), or did they have a specific idea in mind and find the samples needed to execute the idea (ie. building around meaning “hmm, i want to make a statement about X, let’s hunt for samples to help express it”), or did they just have a bank of 1000 religious vocal samples and just picked a few at random and played around with them until it was a happy accident?

The U-S Mabus spelling sample deliberately shouts back to The Color Of The Fire, and Telepath, so they thought “hey it’ll be fun to throw in another spelling vocal sample, but this time about the devil!” and they wanted to throw in something from a TV evangelist and this was a sample that just sounded cool…. Or is there a deeper meaning, an intended statement? I am not sure if I can explain what I am getting at clearly.

I’m assuming Capricorn has some deeper meaning but it is beyond me still! Just moving on from Aquarius? (And The Color Of The Fire?)

Why only one brother with the writing credited? Why does it talk about sin and blood and then go directly into Father And Son? Is there a deeper meaning or is it just meant to make us ask questions and get obsessed looking for meaning that isn’t there (like Twin Peaks or something)?? Questions questions!