Water Can : I agree with most of what is said in this itw !
Yes, humans are programmed to find patterns. It's even one of the key points of my "TOE model" (we would be self-aware cellular automata whose unconscious goal is to discover the code of the matrix by candidly experiencing life: thanks to our free will—the fact that we are ignorant—as well as our curiosity, pareidolia, and apophenia, we are "wired" to detect underlying patterns; and I believe that Alchemy, Atalanta Fugiens, as well as BoC, serve to guide us in this pattern search).
Then, don't you find it strange that on the one hand, Michael and Marcus admit to manipulating listeners, and also admit that their work is full of subliminal messages (especially with Geogaddi and TH) and that they'll be curious to see what the fans will find...
...and then say, "Others began to define what the band was instead of us"???
It's like saying, "We've hidden a lot of things, there's hidden messages we want you to understand" and then criticizing those who make assumptions...?
Sorry, but that doesn't add up at all to me. I can't imagine BoC being 100% honest in their interviews; this "discrepancy" alone tells me there's something fishy going on.
Then there's another thing to consider: when an "average" artist uses symbols or tries to slip in little hidden messages, for the sake of aesthetics or nothing more profound than that, then the symbols and hidden messages... don't really have any coherence. It's more like, "Look, I know how to hide things in my work, how cool I am."
Now, you might agree that with BoC, the coherence of the message is on a whole other level. We're not dealing with some random artist playing at being a "weekend esotericist," but with people who have mastered their subject. And I don't even talk about their music (seriously, have you ever heard something like this ? If yes, pleeeease, tell me !!! I asked the bot, he gave me some great artists, but... I don't know if I'm mad or no, but there's really "something more" with BoC).
At least, if I'm to believe my analysis, since from what I've gathered, the message I skim in Inferno, and elsewhere, is coherent. It talks about the evolution of humanity, the traumas it inflicts upon itself and those inflicted upon it by the elites, and it talks about the end times, the coming of Christ, and so on.
It's not like they've made a patchwork of disparate elements that don't fit together. For example, in Inferno, there's Naraka, which draws on Eastern traditions. But I see something coherent in that! A universalist message: The various religious and spiritual currents are all talking about the same thing. Also : this view (Naraka) implement kind of "corrections" to the Christian dogmas (I really don't believe in eternal hell, I think it's Christian / Muslim things to "civilize" people).
At least, that's how I see it. But I know I don't hold the truth, that I could be wrong about anything. I don't define what is BoC, I only gather correlations and make assumptions. Exactly what they incite us to do with their work...
And I'm glad that among the people who have read me here, there are some who find it resonates with them. That's the main goal. And I'm sorry for the loss of time for the people who read this without finding anything interesting for them.
Cheers!
I think I understood BoC's work.
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Hello guys ! While re-reading my posts here, I must say I'm sorry, I wrote and c/p all of this in a rush, and there's plenty of minor mistakes or approximations ; It doesn't detract from the meaning of what I found, but it makes reading extremely uncomfortable, and I messed up on that point, sorry. I wish we could edit our posts...
Also, I found some other interesting things mainly related to numbers; I'm posting them here in case there are any metaphysicians who might find something useful in them.
864,000 (Sun) / 25,920 (Earth's Precession) = 33.3333...
The Sun is 333,000 times heavier than the Earth.
And I come back to 69: I explained the "trick", but I found out something else: 4761 + 328509 = 333 027...
Another "72" is found with the sample used in Giraud's Mirror: Mcdo campaign from 1972. The famouse "M" of Mcdo may represent here Michael & Marcus, the two brothers who give us the greatest gift, the smile. If Mcdo is evil, the brothers, as Gods on Earth, transform evil into good.
As you saw, 144 is a "big" number (5 first Numbers, 5 Platonic solids, Celestial bodies, Bible).
And also 273, the "boundary between Circle and Square".
So does 528 (maybe a "symbolic link" between colors and sound, linking the green 528nm to the E "Mi for Miracle" 528 Hz in Solfeggio).
And: 528 x 273 = 144,144...
Regarding Transmisiones Ferox, I made the connection with 137, but I didn't say that "Fierce Transmission" evokes the intensity of the interaction, and therefore the concept of Fine Structure coupling.
Moreover, this number isn't exactly 1/137, but 1/137.035.999.177, and according to the bot, we are currently certain of these figures... You'll notice that we find 177 again, and also that "35,999" is extremely close to 36 (6²), which we find in Introit and in the Tape5 video.
And by the way, crazy fact: in the Great Pyramid of Giza, the "sarcophagus" is 1/137th the volume of the King's Chamber.
Also: the Crowley sample in "All Reason Departs" comes from the film "Megiddo II: The New Age" (2005, by Adullam Films), which deals with eschatological themes, the New World Order, the Antichrist, etc., from an evangelical Christian perspective (with a very conspiratorial tone).
Armageddon = battle between Good and Evil. Which means: we are involved, and we all have a role to play. The outcome has been written since the foundation of the world, but only the transcendent (those who bear the Name of the Father) know it. We don't: so, although I'm extremely optimistic, maybe I'm completely wrong and nothing is decided yet, so... let's play! Or rather, let's all wage spiritual warfare. The Holy War is within ourselves; when we free ourselves from the clutches of our ego ("Satan"), we can work for the good around us, and thus, we do our part, as "Soldiers of God".
And I just thought of something that completely validates my understanding of 666 (2/3 of the Trinity, absence of the Holy Spirit) in Revelation chapter 8...
Revelation 8:7: a third of the trees are burned.
Revelation 8:8-9: a third of the sea turns to blood; a third of the sea creatures perish; a third of the ships are destroyed.
Revelation 8:10-11: a third of the waters turn bitter.
Revelation 8:12: a third of the sun, moon, and stars are struck.
Revelation 9:15: a third of humanity is killed.
I know I'm talking a lot of things, things that are hard to understand, especially with my mistakes, but... look at the magic that emanates from all this data...
We must share this kind of information as much as possible: we must help our brothers and sisters escape the Cave, and thus avoid falling into the eternal traps of our leaders, our cognitive biases, our wounded hearts and lost minds, etc.
Peace and Love.
Also, I found some other interesting things mainly related to numbers; I'm posting them here in case there are any metaphysicians who might find something useful in them.
864,000 (Sun) / 25,920 (Earth's Precession) = 33.3333...
The Sun is 333,000 times heavier than the Earth.
And I come back to 69: I explained the "trick", but I found out something else: 4761 + 328509 = 333 027...
Another "72" is found with the sample used in Giraud's Mirror: Mcdo campaign from 1972. The famouse "M" of Mcdo may represent here Michael & Marcus, the two brothers who give us the greatest gift, the smile. If Mcdo is evil, the brothers, as Gods on Earth, transform evil into good.
As you saw, 144 is a "big" number (5 first Numbers, 5 Platonic solids, Celestial bodies, Bible).
And also 273, the "boundary between Circle and Square".
So does 528 (maybe a "symbolic link" between colors and sound, linking the green 528nm to the E "Mi for Miracle" 528 Hz in Solfeggio).
And: 528 x 273 = 144,144...
Regarding Transmisiones Ferox, I made the connection with 137, but I didn't say that "Fierce Transmission" evokes the intensity of the interaction, and therefore the concept of Fine Structure coupling.
Moreover, this number isn't exactly 1/137, but 1/137.035.999.177, and according to the bot, we are currently certain of these figures... You'll notice that we find 177 again, and also that "35,999" is extremely close to 36 (6²), which we find in Introit and in the Tape5 video.
And by the way, crazy fact: in the Great Pyramid of Giza, the "sarcophagus" is 1/137th the volume of the King's Chamber.
Also: the Crowley sample in "All Reason Departs" comes from the film "Megiddo II: The New Age" (2005, by Adullam Films), which deals with eschatological themes, the New World Order, the Antichrist, etc., from an evangelical Christian perspective (with a very conspiratorial tone).
Armageddon = battle between Good and Evil. Which means: we are involved, and we all have a role to play. The outcome has been written since the foundation of the world, but only the transcendent (those who bear the Name of the Father) know it. We don't: so, although I'm extremely optimistic, maybe I'm completely wrong and nothing is decided yet, so... let's play! Or rather, let's all wage spiritual warfare. The Holy War is within ourselves; when we free ourselves from the clutches of our ego ("Satan"), we can work for the good around us, and thus, we do our part, as "Soldiers of God".
And I just thought of something that completely validates my understanding of 666 (2/3 of the Trinity, absence of the Holy Spirit) in Revelation chapter 8...
Revelation 8:7: a third of the trees are burned.
Revelation 8:8-9: a third of the sea turns to blood; a third of the sea creatures perish; a third of the ships are destroyed.
Revelation 8:10-11: a third of the waters turn bitter.
Revelation 8:12: a third of the sun, moon, and stars are struck.
Revelation 9:15: a third of humanity is killed.
I know I'm talking a lot of things, things that are hard to understand, especially with my mistakes, but... look at the magic that emanates from all this data...
We must share this kind of information as much as possible: we must help our brothers and sisters escape the Cave, and thus avoid falling into the eternal traps of our leaders, our cognitive biases, our wounded hearts and lost minds, etc.
Peace and Love.
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I keep going because I've just found some other intriguing stuff...
Earlier I made a mistake by reversing a zero: the sum of 69² + 69³ = 333,270, not 333,027.
But here's where it gets... strange: 333 / 270 = 666 / 540 = 1.23333...
(We find the two numbers dear to BoC again, and remember that 6 × 9 = 54).
The GCD of this fraction is 37 / 30. And 37 is the 12th prime, while 30 = 5 × 6 (transcendence).
So, the 12th prime divided by 30 gives 1.23333...
And of course : 37 x 30 = 1110... (remember my prediction with this number : 911 + 199 = 1110)
But: on the cover of TH, we recognize San Francisco, with the famous Transamerica Tower, shaped like an elongated pyramid.
And the total height of this tower, with its 11.1 foot spiral antenna, is 864 feet (the Sun's number). That's 263 meters, which is the 56th prime.
Its construction began in 1969... and was completed in 1972.
54 years ago...
It just adds another layer to my feeling that "something crazy is going to happen this year."
Also: as I said, I've been developing a TOE as an amateur for years.
To give you the broad strokes: I believe that our material universe, made of positive masses and energy, is coupled to an immaterial universe — a pure quantum wave containing all the information of the entire universe at all its epochs (which aligns with the block universe theory of Barbour, Wheeler, and many others. This "trick" seems to solve most of quantum paradoxes).
The informational substrate is antimatter, and it explains why there's naturally no antimatter in our universe, despite the fact that it should be 50-50 since the beginning. We're simply misunderstanding that antimatter is only the informational part of matter... (if I'm right, of course).
See the dice: each face has an opposite from which the sum makes 7... Translating this idea into reality: we see the "material face" and we can determine what is behind it, on the opposite side. Matter + Antimatter = "7" (perfection, totality, completion...). Maybe that's why the annihilation matter + antimatter = the most energetic reactions in the universe.
(and this idea doesn't explain about the "creation of antimatter in our labs", because... how can we manifest this in reality, if it's only information ? I talked about this paradox several times with the bot, but I didn't really understand the explanation it had, so i'll stop here about that).
Regarding consciousness : one, fundamental, and eternal (Maria Stromme). See the analogy with the Sierpinski's triangle: all our "individual consciousnesses" are fractalizations of the same single consciousness. In other words, our individual consciousness would simply be a "facet" of the divine universal consciousness. This resonates with the great mystics like Meister Eckhart: "The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me."
In other words: Creation would be a set of complex numbers, the real part of which is our physical matter and interactions; and the imaginary part is the underlying informational substrate.
This relates to Euler's identity: e^iπ + 1 = 0.
e may be for consciousness... fundamental, e = 5th letter = quintessence... ? Sulfur.
^ for "experiencing space-time" ? (because "square" = reality, so I guess "consciousness^some parameters" = consciousness experiencing space-time)
i = the immutable quantum wave, the infinite reservoir of information that our imagination draws from. Mercury.
Pi = the infinite operator between information (the circle) and reality (the square), perhaps what transforms the idea into form / action?
1 = the whole manifested universe... Salt.
0 = zero point energy, quantum foam, the perfect equilibrium between infinite potentials.
Therefore: consciousness transmutes information into reality, by rotating it by 180° on the complex plane. Sulfur + Mercury = Salt.
And thanks to BoC and their bonus track "Giraud's Mirror," I think I've found some wonderful connections between this view and the Möbius strip...
On the strip, you always remain on the same side (= eternal consciousness), but sometimes you are "inside" (and therefore you "experience" gravity, since when you move forward on a convex curve, you are pressed against the ground), and sometimes you are "outside": you feel lighter because, as you keep moving straight ahead, you experience negative G-forces because the strip is concave.
I think there's a certain "Language of the Birds" at play here, to show that "inside" therefore within matter, you experience gravity; outside, you are a "celestial being".
And the best part : the Mobius stripe moves from one "face" to the other by rotating 180°... This connects to the idea of Euler's identity: one moves from matter to information, or from reality to the beyond, by rotating the complex plane 180°.
Hence the Triangle (180°) as a representation of God (All seeing eye) : it's kind of our complex mirror.
Some of these ideas are new to me (I didn't think about Möbius stripe until 2 weeks ago), so, sorry if I explain things poorly, its foggy in my head but... there's something, right ? I hope that will grasp someone's mind !
(But : I'll stop bothering you, I understand it's not great to see some weirdo spouting completely off-the-wall stuff on your favorite forum ^^ If anyone asks me anything, I'll gladly reply, and if I find something absolutely mind-blowing related to BoC, I'll let you know, but for now, I'm going to take a break).
(BUT... I have to finish with this : Bombelli was the first to make sense of imaginary numbers.
Applying Cardano's formula to x³ = 15x+4, he encountered : √−121...
The 5 and the 4 are there...
So does the palindromic single "Introit + Prophecy" 1+2 talking about 21cm...
and 121= (5+6)².
The year was 1572...)
Cheers, my brothers and sisters ♥♫⬢
Earlier I made a mistake by reversing a zero: the sum of 69² + 69³ = 333,270, not 333,027.
But here's where it gets... strange: 333 / 270 = 666 / 540 = 1.23333...
(We find the two numbers dear to BoC again, and remember that 6 × 9 = 54).
The GCD of this fraction is 37 / 30. And 37 is the 12th prime, while 30 = 5 × 6 (transcendence).
So, the 12th prime divided by 30 gives 1.23333...
And of course : 37 x 30 = 1110... (remember my prediction with this number : 911 + 199 = 1110)
But: on the cover of TH, we recognize San Francisco, with the famous Transamerica Tower, shaped like an elongated pyramid.
And the total height of this tower, with its 11.1 foot spiral antenna, is 864 feet (the Sun's number). That's 263 meters, which is the 56th prime.
Its construction began in 1969... and was completed in 1972.
54 years ago...
It just adds another layer to my feeling that "something crazy is going to happen this year."
Also: as I said, I've been developing a TOE as an amateur for years.
To give you the broad strokes: I believe that our material universe, made of positive masses and energy, is coupled to an immaterial universe — a pure quantum wave containing all the information of the entire universe at all its epochs (which aligns with the block universe theory of Barbour, Wheeler, and many others. This "trick" seems to solve most of quantum paradoxes).
The informational substrate is antimatter, and it explains why there's naturally no antimatter in our universe, despite the fact that it should be 50-50 since the beginning. We're simply misunderstanding that antimatter is only the informational part of matter... (if I'm right, of course).
See the dice: each face has an opposite from which the sum makes 7... Translating this idea into reality: we see the "material face" and we can determine what is behind it, on the opposite side. Matter + Antimatter = "7" (perfection, totality, completion...). Maybe that's why the annihilation matter + antimatter = the most energetic reactions in the universe.
(and this idea doesn't explain about the "creation of antimatter in our labs", because... how can we manifest this in reality, if it's only information ? I talked about this paradox several times with the bot, but I didn't really understand the explanation it had, so i'll stop here about that).
Regarding consciousness : one, fundamental, and eternal (Maria Stromme). See the analogy with the Sierpinski's triangle: all our "individual consciousnesses" are fractalizations of the same single consciousness. In other words, our individual consciousness would simply be a "facet" of the divine universal consciousness. This resonates with the great mystics like Meister Eckhart: "The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me."
In other words: Creation would be a set of complex numbers, the real part of which is our physical matter and interactions; and the imaginary part is the underlying informational substrate.
This relates to Euler's identity: e^iπ + 1 = 0.
e may be for consciousness... fundamental, e = 5th letter = quintessence... ? Sulfur.
^ for "experiencing space-time" ? (because "square" = reality, so I guess "consciousness^some parameters" = consciousness experiencing space-time)
i = the immutable quantum wave, the infinite reservoir of information that our imagination draws from. Mercury.
Pi = the infinite operator between information (the circle) and reality (the square), perhaps what transforms the idea into form / action?
1 = the whole manifested universe... Salt.
0 = zero point energy, quantum foam, the perfect equilibrium between infinite potentials.
Therefore: consciousness transmutes information into reality, by rotating it by 180° on the complex plane. Sulfur + Mercury = Salt.
And thanks to BoC and their bonus track "Giraud's Mirror," I think I've found some wonderful connections between this view and the Möbius strip...
On the strip, you always remain on the same side (= eternal consciousness), but sometimes you are "inside" (and therefore you "experience" gravity, since when you move forward on a convex curve, you are pressed against the ground), and sometimes you are "outside": you feel lighter because, as you keep moving straight ahead, you experience negative G-forces because the strip is concave.
I think there's a certain "Language of the Birds" at play here, to show that "inside" therefore within matter, you experience gravity; outside, you are a "celestial being".
And the best part : the Mobius stripe moves from one "face" to the other by rotating 180°... This connects to the idea of Euler's identity: one moves from matter to information, or from reality to the beyond, by rotating the complex plane 180°.
Hence the Triangle (180°) as a representation of God (All seeing eye) : it's kind of our complex mirror.
Some of these ideas are new to me (I didn't think about Möbius stripe until 2 weeks ago), so, sorry if I explain things poorly, its foggy in my head but... there's something, right ? I hope that will grasp someone's mind !
(But : I'll stop bothering you, I understand it's not great to see some weirdo spouting completely off-the-wall stuff on your favorite forum ^^ If anyone asks me anything, I'll gladly reply, and if I find something absolutely mind-blowing related to BoC, I'll let you know, but for now, I'm going to take a break).
(BUT... I have to finish with this : Bombelli was the first to make sense of imaginary numbers.
Applying Cardano's formula to x³ = 15x+4, he encountered : √−121...
The 5 and the 4 are there...
So does the palindromic single "Introit + Prophecy" 1+2 talking about 21cm...
and 121= (5+6)².
The year was 1572...)
Cheers, my brothers and sisters ♥♫⬢
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Michael and Marcus admit to manipulating listeners, and also admit that their work is full of subliminal messages (especially with Geogaddi and TH) and that they'll be curious to see what the fans will find...
...and then say, "Others began to define what the band was instead of us"???
It's like saying, "We've hidden a lot of things, there's hidden messages we want you to understand" and then criticizing those who make assumptions...?
Sorry, but that doesn't add up at all to me. I can't imagine BoC being 100% honest in their interviews; this "discrepancy" alone tells me there's something fishy going on.
You're going through a lot of mental hoops here in order to keep your numberwang from losing the subjective meaning you have projected onto it. Been there done that. It's quite unhealthy behavior. I mean it in the best possible way but have you ever thought about talking to a mental health professional about this OCD meets Angel Numbers stuff?
Throw away your smartphone.
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Salut Cupz !
I wasn't familiar with "Numberwang," thanks for teaching me new stuff !
And anyway... I don't feel like I'm struggling at all; on the contrary, it's all coming naturally. To reiterate: I've had this theory in mind for 10 years and I've spent a lot of time playing with numbers, symbols, trying to find patterns. Eventually, it became second nature.
And now, with BoC and especially Inferno, well... the correlations just clicked. It's almost as if Inferno was made for me.
I can understand if you don't understand it, if you think it's all nonsense... or even if it scares you. It's much easier to say "you're crazy" than to roll up your sleeves and actually try to understand it.
I really feel that what I'm saying is generally coherent, and that I've found quite a few dazzling things that were clearly the Sandison brothers' intention.
But that's just my analysis; I know I could be completely wrong. It's quite possible that if they were to read this, they'd be scared, thinking I'm totally nuts ^^ But I don't believe that for a second.
And you're clearly not the first to think I'm crazy
You say my behavior is quite unhealthy... I would reply that, on the contrary, a few years ago I was quite depressed (I've been my whole adult life), but since those beliefs have transformed into deep convictions, I feel as if I've been touched by grace, becoming a little happier every day. May God keep me on this path, and may we all succeed together!
Peace and love, my brother ♥
I wasn't familiar with "Numberwang," thanks for teaching me new stuff !
And anyway... I don't feel like I'm struggling at all; on the contrary, it's all coming naturally. To reiterate: I've had this theory in mind for 10 years and I've spent a lot of time playing with numbers, symbols, trying to find patterns. Eventually, it became second nature.
And now, with BoC and especially Inferno, well... the correlations just clicked. It's almost as if Inferno was made for me.
I can understand if you don't understand it, if you think it's all nonsense... or even if it scares you. It's much easier to say "you're crazy" than to roll up your sleeves and actually try to understand it.
I really feel that what I'm saying is generally coherent, and that I've found quite a few dazzling things that were clearly the Sandison brothers' intention.
But that's just my analysis; I know I could be completely wrong. It's quite possible that if they were to read this, they'd be scared, thinking I'm totally nuts ^^ But I don't believe that for a second.
And you're clearly not the first to think I'm crazy
You say my behavior is quite unhealthy... I would reply that, on the contrary, a few years ago I was quite depressed (I've been my whole adult life), but since those beliefs have transformed into deep convictions, I feel as if I've been touched by grace, becoming a little happier every day. May God keep me on this path, and may we all succeed together!
Peace and love, my brother ♥
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